ATV Florida Forum

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  Just a reminder for everyone, the 4th points race of the series is Oct 21 at 7pm at CrossRoadsMotorplex in Jasper, Fl.   There may be an issue or a few issues that league members will be asked to vote on so do not miss the drivers meeting.

  Last race at Jasper I believe we had 27 entries. The track owner was very impressed. In an effort to give him a head count, if you are going please send me a PM and let me know. Also the track owner is a dealer for American Racers and Hoosiers, if interested call the track and ask for Wade.
 
  For anyone wanting to stay overnight, there is plenty of room to camp and showers with hot water...all free, but no hookups.

 If anyone didn't hear, the league membership has grown again. Four new members have joined ;D.

 Lastly, we are debating locations for the end of series awards banquet. Ocala seems to be the most central location for all members. Do any of you have a specific location of where you would like to have the banquet? Before you make your suggestion, typically banquets are held in a restaurant because they don't charge to use their room when we are ordering meals. This saves the league money and helps us to prepare for the next series in January. It also is a comfortable environment unaffected by weather. Send me your ideas in a PM please.

   

My idea would be a community building. I am sure Ocala has one. The banquet for Sand Mountain was done in a community building and everyone paid $5 to come eat and get their trophies (they had someone singing as well). In our case maybe the racers (members) could be free and family/friends (non-members) could be $5.

Our 4-H banquets were always done in the community building in Groveland. They have a stage, tables, chairs, and a kitchen. We fit a few hundred people in the building. The 4-H club would provide the meat and paper goods and then each family would bring a covered dish or 2 and/or drinks.

If we did it at a restaurant I think it could get pricey. People have already paid membership fees and raced at varies locations and now they would have to pay for their families meals at a restaurant too. 

*And we're going to Jasper.

Pricey? dont you go to Dennys after every race?  ;) As you and I have discussed before, everyone is responable for thier own meals. Plus keeping track of who paid what and whos there that didnt pay and is eating "for free" is a huge task to add to my already huge task of the banquet not to mention the league. But, your idea is welcomed and noted...

I thought this post asked for opinions/suggestions to be voted on not to be shot down.

Again as I have mentioned before...I would like to see a treasurers report since everytime I mention something there never seems to be enough money for it. 

If the problem is time for such a task they why don't we see if someone else could be charge of this task so that its not all on you and Dave's plate.

I can't remember what we had to eat at the Sand Mountain banquet but I think it was BBQ chicken with like beans and coleslaw. At the 4-H banquet we always have BBQ Pork. The dads in the club cook it...so it's not very expensive at all.

WOW! didnt expect that, now I see this is Liz not Gary...think on getting your own screen name its confusing. The banquet wasnt part of the voting option, the LCQ is. I think dave used the word "suggestion" not "vote". The problem with asking people for help or ideas is if you dont use them people get upset. And I think you just proved that for me. GARY is free to come over anytime if Gary wants to see the books, as he is a league member then you will see im not ripping you off "GARYS" 25.00 and if you have ANY doubt i am, Gary is free to get a refund and drop out of the league. I know you think we have all this money but the whole idea is to try and trophy everyone something.. thats doesnt leave much left, if at all anything for next year..keep in mind I fronted a few hundred dollars that I "donated" to the league... has anyone else?

I too didn't expect you just to shoot it down wihtout even considering it. The reason I am suggesting what I am is because I have seen this first hand these types of problems go wrong in other clubs and organizations I have been involved with. I have seen them crumble (3 of them in fact) because of money troubles. I didn't want that to happen here which is why I am suggesting that everything should be out in the open. Nothing to hide.

I have been to banquets at restaurants where they were expecting us to be done in an hour and hovering us waiting for us to leave. Just didn't make for a great night. Which is why I suggested a community building. And you're right its just $25 but if you are a family with several racers who have to travel to every race it adds up which is why I thought a restaurant could get pricey. Some people have to travel hours just to get to Ocala.

And by the way if a vote is taken then no feelings should end up being hurt because you know thats what the majority of people wanted. Thats why all along I pushed for some type of meeting where a vote could be taken. Maybe this could also be a voted issue since it does affect all the league members.

I am not trying to get on your case just giving you a different point of view.

You had to have known it was me since there was punctuation!

Liz, it was considered, Gary has brought this up to me twice already, and both times he was answered..
I think you know Dave and I have enough financial backing to keep this league going if there were "money troubles" and I know your mom was ripped off by 4-H but,I think those troubles were do to dishonest people... right? Since you have been to my home and you and Gary and Gina and I have taken trips together I would think you would have no doubt about my integirty. 
   
To answer you question.  No, I will not read the book in a drivers meeting or in a public arena as it is for members information only. But, if a member wants to see the books I dont have a problem with that.
Keep in mind this is the first season, we dont have any idea on what our total cost will be, but we cant blow it all because we need a reserve for next season. Maybe next season we can just place the top 3 on every class and spend the rest on food? But for this season I cant be paying for 40 peoples meals, gifts, and trophys. trust me, as im sure you can tell i like free food  ;).... but we just cant do it this time around..


Oh and i knew it was you because there was no run on sentences..  LOL... (sorry Gary just pickin')
and Im not mad or upset at you, please dont think that. After all, text doesnt relay emotion very well.
And your screen name should be "GaryBOSS"... Man, thatsa pride buster huh?  ;D

I'm good with whatever everyone decides. I am not opposed to pitching in extra money for a catering of BBQ/meal at a central community building, and I would want to be able to hang out for as long as everyone wants to and not feel rushed.

Gary and Liz,

If you have something in mind P.M. me and let me know, I could throw down some extra cash if need be, I would really like to help make this first Banquet something special, because this is a special group of guys we race with.

* I will be at Jasper too.

Goodness, things can get so heated over nothing... chill out. As for the whole where to have the banquet thing, I agree that having it at a restraunt would be the most cost effective on the SFTL as a whole. Most of the people who regularly make it out to Ocala stop at restraunts on the way home as it is... so the issue of paying for a meal really shouldn't even be an issue. Or if it is, just don't go out to dinner the week before and save a few more dollars  :P Plus, when organizations cater in food it's a lot harder to get something that everyone is going to like without ordering in a ton of different things, in turn spending way more on food then needed. At least at a restraunt people can choose exactly what they want and that would be the end of it. The idea of everyone bringing a covered dish to the banquet (if it was held in a hall) is good... if everyone who was coming was local, but they're not so it is not really effective either IMO. A lot of people (even the more local ones) are still having to drive 2-4 hours just to make it to the central location of Ocala... what food would really still be "good" after 4 hours sitting in a car? And who is really going to want to worry about toting food, making sure it's still edible when it arrives, heating it, washing the dishes, and being sure everyone takes home what they came with? Just some stuff to think about.

Do we get free beer ? :drink.gif :L

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That would for sure put SFTL in the hole... supplying you alone they'd have to go take out a loan.. not to mention for the rest of us ;)

Tim, NO.   ;D

Sky, No one is heated, thats what i hate about text.... ;D

Ya... always makes it interresting how things can get lost when it comes to text

Plus she knows who the boss is!  ;)  :Fp

No beer huh. Somebodys gettin whooped over this ! ;)

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It was ALL daves idea..  ;)

That figures. Dang that evil brother of yours ! Dave is the Devil ! >:D

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I think the restaurant idea is the best that way you can order what you want. I know you guys will look out for the best intrest of the league.

    Hey Liz,
 Thanks for your input. I was really just looking for opinions on a location, not so much how to do the banquet. As of now we are carefully watching expenses and as Chris said we have to plan ahead for the next series. There may be changes coming with organization but that will be addressed later. As of now we are spending alot more time trying to get the rules nailed down and consistent from week to week but lately it has proved to be difficult. We have a plan for the banquet in place that should suit everyone but if we come across something better it is possible to make changes. I have the red carpet rolled out for suggestions and I have received several PM's but I can't use them all and some would be impossible unless we charged everyone an admission fee which we will not do. When I said restaurant, I didn't mean Burns's Steakhouse at 25 bucks a plate, but more like Golden Corral or Denny's or Cracker Barrel where they have a private room with doors, the food is affordable, and we get waited on. Like you I too have been involved with social clubs all my life...Brandon Eagles MC Club, Custom Vans LTD., Tampa Bay Buggy Club, Florida Comancheros, 4-H, Oak Hill Saddle Club, Mini Madness Inc., and now the SFTL. In some of them I served in an officer role, organized Poker Runs, Scavenger Hunts, Road Rallys, Truck Shows, Banquets, and whatever else that needed to be done. At this time I will say the Banquet will be in Ocala at 7pm on Dec 9 and everyone should be happy with the result. Chris will get it posted when he gets a chance. Right now the key word is conservative not lavish. For the next banquet I think a catered hall or similar would be cool (esp. if Gary's cooks BBQ ;D) but we want to get through this first series with a surplus at the end and look for bigger in the next series that start in January.
                      Thanks,
                               Dave

well i drive the farthest to get to these races so i think we should have the banq. at my house and i will supply the burgers and dogs on the grill with some baked beans and cole slaw. my dad and mom will cook everything and we can rent a few tables and chairs and stay as long as we want ;)

if you dont like that idea then im game for anything 8)





i will be at jasper too

He!! this sounds as good as Denny's...actually better. lol

why not ask brady to open the track for a big bbq and some fun racing maybe a little money show between some of the talkers???? im sure the boss would like for all to save money and no offence to jasper but it all got started in ocala.... just a thought?

Brady and I have already talked about that.
It wont be at T bowl, were looking for an inside, sit down kind of event. No racing involved. Plus, I really dont want to be screaming over carts,sprints,quads, ETC as were tring to hand out trophies.
What are you talking about Jasper? i think you misread something... were having a meeting over rule issues at jasper nothing else. Oh and Ocala is a great track, but the Flat Track racing started in Dade City 2 years before any of us came to Ocala  ;).  I went to ocala a few years ago and talked to a long haired carney worker that ran the track, he had 2 quads that would come out and race. No offence but because of this very forum with me, Dave, Doug, & Gary promoting the heck out of this, is honestly why you see the turn out it has now. 99% of the people who race flat track are members of atvflorida.com or friends of. No offense to Brady I know he has worked hard to get the track going again, but give credit where credit is due.

so your saying that my house is not high class enough :R

 :-\   For the first time in my life.... i dont know what to say....  :-\

Hey Dave & Cris
                        Our car club gets the back room at dennys every month for our meetings it is free as long as people order food and there is no rush to get us out just let me know if you decide to go that way.     And we will be in Jasper.

   Thanks for the input. The people there are good to us every time we stop there and the waitress knows most of our names and brings out our drinks before we even tell her what we want. The kitchen has been slow from time to time but the food has always been good.

   Hey there Gary,
  Who's ahead in the points now? Better change that moniker! lol  I'm really gonna hand it to you in Jasper, no more free passes for you! lolololol!! ;D

 *and we will be in Jasper.

You know, the Broken Bone Saloon would be a lovely place for a banquet. I could get some of the previous bar folks to come in, we could karoke "Born to be Wild" and "Freebird", drink Mad Dog 20/20, and Tim could finally wear his a$$less chaps out in public. Just a thought. 

That sounds sweeeeeet. The mad dog brings back rough memories.

You know Tim got those chaps from bigworm right?  ;)

put me down for 2 in Jasper

I told you not to anounce that.

Whoops....

Just what in the hell is wrong with assless chaps ? I just wish Bigworm would have gotten the Vaseline stains out before he gave them to me. ???

   None of you look as good as I do in my chaps so give them back now please :'(

Do you want me to clean them first ? I loned them to Brady and they came back with some new stains on them that look like mayonnaise. :o

So what? A guy can't eat a hamburger or "hot dog" in his a$$less chaps?
Also, don't beleive the loudmouth wack off on TV. Oxy-Clean does NOT get out ALLl types of stains.

Man seed being one ? :o

Damn you guys ruined a good pair of chaps.

Bigworm wore those chaps on a group ride once, but nobody wanted to be behind him. I still havent fully recovered.

This was jayz400 when he took his helmet off on that group ride.

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Hello Everyone,
  I have heard that people have been looking for a place to buy Flat Track tires. We are set up with American Racer if anyone is interested. We are working on getting set up with Hoosier now.

Let us know if you need any help.

Thanks,
Mike

Speaking of Race#4 at Jasper.....

The good news is my DrQ LT540 motor was shipped today, so I can finally get the LT250/500 Hybrid on the track! ;D

The bad news is that my fiancee is taking me out of town that weekend for my birthday. :(

Ya'll have Fun !!!!!

Hey! well happy B day Skully!

Yea , happy birthday Skull man ! ;)

Yea what dis man be saying ! O0

Hey, Chris Its East Coast Performance Mini Quads  :P. We are willing to help out league members with tires at almost cost there is no margin on tires so we are willing to do this to help the sport grow. The only problem in doing so I cant afford to buy them 1-2 at a time shipping will kill me so I need to buy them in bulk. This way I can save league member an average  $10-15 a tire and everyone  can split the shipping cost. 

I need 4 for my boys bike and a set of fronts for mine.
Ill see what dave needs, I know he wanted a full set for Tylers bike too.

What brands do ya sell Worm ? 8)

WOW,
  I come back to check on the post look at this.
I believe there are many issues going on with this new league. Seems there is to much, "your not my friend so you cant play with us going on here." Everyone has someone they dont like in this world, but do you think that in the MX series we are picking who we want to ride and who we want to send home? I think not, and this is why we have 100 entries per race.

Now, I simply stated that we are able to get tires and I guess since we are not part of your league, then the fact that we were not so much looking for sales but to help everone out, oh well. Prices would have been dirt cheap.

I think you all should sit back and ask why you started this league of yours. We are in business and support the different series and riders because we love ATV'S and no other reason. EVERYONE that knows us or deals with us will tell you that if you do not already know, we try to HELP everyone. If we were in it for nothing but the money, I would have a day job, because there is not enough pay in this business to pay for all the time that we put in.

There are no "clicks here" and no I am not standing up for Scooter, trust me he doesnt need any help!

I made a post based on what I have read and the statement you made, dont you belive that something to the effect of, " Great ATP, glad to hear there is another place to get tires from. What kind of pricing do you guys have?" would have been better.

We have many riders in every series from Florida to California and back. I cant keep up with what they all do, nore do I care as long as they are not harming our business in any way. I have not and will not beat down anyone or any companies,series, ect door to help them, but I do believe that you guys could go about some things in better ways. Stay professional and dont let it get personal. It has taken us a while to learn this, but in the end we have.

 

Oh hell .............. here we go. ::) :tsktsk.gif :L

Scared of big-daddy or did Brady get on to you ? 2:L

That aint right at all. :cursing.gif  Hopefuly cooler heads will prevail in the end. :-\

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Sorry for the late responce I have been Ill the last couple of days. We carry American racer and Hoosier tires. I can geat American racers a tad bit cheaper than Hoosier. Hoosier dosent like to sell them 1-2 at a time do to they dont stock quad tires but I have there commintment that if we buy 15 at a time they will stock them for us and if need will ship us a small order now and then.  American dont mind the small order as much just shiping is more on small orders.  You guys pm me on tires or email me at ecmini1@yahoo.com  Thanks.

hoosierdaddy ur wrong flat track racing started all most about 6 years ago in ocala when it was jackson motor sports also i didnt mean to make u upset about where u wanted ur banquet i was just suggesting thats all

Brady and I have already talked about that.
It wont be at T bowl, were looking for an inside, sit down kind of event. No racing involved. Plus, I really dont want to be screaming over carts,sprints,quads, ETC as were tring to hand out trophies.
What are you talking about Jasper? i think you misread something... were having a meeting over rule issues at jasper nothing else. Oh and Ocala is a great track, but the Flat Track racing started in Dade City 2 years before any of us came to Ocala  .  I went to ocala a few years ago and talked to a long haired carney worker that ran the track, he had 2 quads that would come out and race. No offence but because of this very forum with me, Dave, Doug, & Gary promoting the heck out of this, is honestly why you see the turn out it has now. 99% of the people who race flat track are members of atvflorida.com or friends of. No offense to Brady I know he has worked hard to get the track going again, but give credit where credit is due.


and bye the way benji did have alot of bikes he just missed manged... and i didnt say anything about jasper just that it didnt start there or dade city.. and as for the guy u r talking about his name is walter and he to thought that there where more inportant things then the track so he was lucky to have his 2 bike race.