ATV Florida Forum

What a great place.  My son and I went there today, and had a great time, despite the examples we saw.  Why F it up by doing doughnuts, haulin azz, and wheelies in the parking lot.  Riding double, and without helmets.  Garbage, ATV parts, etc. left in the riding area.  The rangers seemed to be getting anoyed.........this abuse is how we will loose the few riding spots left.  Yorkshire, The Yucapan, many more....they're gone.  We're frowned on because of the few idiots that cannot follow some simple rules, and be respectful of the environment.

Everyone please don't F it up for my kids, and their kids,...

It's always a few who ruin it for the rest of us.

I agree with you 100%.  I never understood why people would speed through the parking area when there's thousands of acres out there to ride.


I do think however, they need to do a better job maintaining the trails, possibly take out some of the whoops, so people can ride the way they want without getting beat to death.

I think some of the less experienced riders, who can't handle the whoops tend to ride through the parking areas in an aggressive manner because it's one of the few places without whoops.

But that's no excuse for it. They need to knock that crap off.

The problem with garbage is everywhere the same. I was at ONF last weekend and saw plastic bottles and other stuff everywhere. But even if you go to privat owned riding facilities such as DP or others were you are technically not allowed to have that kinda stuff with you on the trails, you find a decent amount of them next to the trails.

there are morons everywhere. if you see someone doin any of this that was mentioned shoot them.

What we should do is encourage the rangers to toss their butts out. Unless the rules are rigidly enforced, you will always have aholes that will do this crap.  :banghead.gif

I agree. Enough is enough and this stuff has to stop. I don't get it. There are HUGH dumping areas in the parking lots at Croom. Why is it so hard to throw the trash in there? Just wait, it is only a matter of time before one of those speedy jerks goes racing through the parking lot and strikes a little kid, and then all the drama will start. It is sad. :(

I agree its rediculas I also am sick of people racing around the campground its supposed to be walking speed only

They need to make a "no tolerance" policy at Croom. 

I prefer we get rid of the 2 wheelers and go 4x4 only.A lot less retards and fast drivers.Thats just me .Sorry but I personally dont like to ride around the clowns on the go fast machines goin fast and loud.Also I wont ride with a helmet.I dont go fast enough for it to be necesary and its harder to drink my beer.ha

Haven't you seen those helmets with the drink holders and straws. You would be alot safer that way.

http://www.spirithalloween.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.detail/categoryID/7773f1b7-648e-4d9c-8927-b16302708a07/productID/f60c4180-4921-4f28-8c5a-cf00b7fb552b/

Not to be rude but I think I am much safer being on a sport bike going 60 than you are with no helmet and under the influance

sbNipple you gotta be kidding?

I have to agree about the idiots at Croom.  There were a couple of aholes spinning donuts in the Sand Hill area parking lot the last time I was there.  It's like WTF, the pit is right there with hardpack to spin donuts on.  I guess some people don't use a brain cell they were born with.  These same people drive on the highway. :O

Sbribble -- What do have against the Dirt Bikes?  Of the people out there I haven't seen those guys go ripping through the parking areas.  I have seen the guys on sport quads do it though.  By the way I ride a sport quad and I find it pretty irresponsible and inconsiderate of those that speed through those areas.   Like to chuck one of those devices that the cops use to blow out tires in front of them.

I hope that you are kidding about drinking alcohol and riding and not wearing a helmet.  Cause that just ain't right.  I wish I could find some smartazz remark that Croom should ban 4x4 Ute ATVs, but I actually like the auger pits that you guys make...they are fun to jump out of.  Let's face it Ute ATVs handle like tanks...you're just jealous of us sport guys.  ;D ;D

I dont have nothing against dirt bikes other than they make too much noise and go too fast.I think people that drive 4x4 s are usually slower drivers.I am just too old I guess .I just like to putt around and not have to worry about gettin run over.I am sure I am in the minority but I can live with that.you guys have fun just think about everyone else while you do it .

"I don't have nothing...."


Easy with the double negatives, chief.

"I don't have ANYthing"

I gotta get me one of those helmets!  Can you say vodka martini shaken not stirred?

glad I got a carpet bagger to save me  from bad language.HE aint got no sense thinkin he needs to correct my language.Typical northern transplant.I dont want the special drink helmet ....it shakes up the beer too badly.Ha  just kidding guys.I like to see everyone having fun .I personally prefer to go slow and turn up mud pits for you zippy guys .Also its fun pullin you guys outta the mud.You hook your end and anything I rip off I get to keep.

im not sure when the last time some of you were at croom but aprarently the rangers dont really care to much because they just ride around in there trucks and dont really check for stickers at the front.... thye should have a few rangers on utes out there in each parking lot and a few more just roaming around but other than that i agree there are idiots that ride as fast as they want to thru the parking lot and there just endarging themselves bye doing so,,,,

you want to outlaw dirtbikes at croom? just shut up sbribble, every post ive ever read of yours offends someone else, and your always talking about, "well ill be out there drinking my beer." you talk about drinking and riding atvs so much its like you got to prove your cool and drink and ride. stop saying stupid s***

Ya know on this one I'm don't see where he is so far off, give the guy a break.  A bunch of older folks much rather putt-along w/4-wheelers and little mud, than go haulin-a$$.  I have nothing against dirt bikes, nothing against quads, but I would have to say, more than half the time I see someone doing a dounuts are usually on dirk bikes.  They do go fast, and I personally would not ride one.  I don't really think though that it's the bikes themselves, it is the people who ride them.  Youngsters just need to respect and take care of what we ride.  I can honestly say that I really don't think anyone from here rides like that.  As for having a beer or two for a ride, yea, I've done that too.  I don't get trashed, but I will take a long trail ride and have a beer.  And I know for a fact, many do the same.  The main thing is know your limit, and know when to park it.  And no, I don't wear a helmet when I trail riding.  One must understand that trail riding is just that, you lucky if you go 5 mph. 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and yea, some of his post where a little off at times, but for the most part he just speaks his mind. 

I'll drink to that!  :T

thank you cherotpride.I do have my flaws.also my opinions often offend others .But I aint a bad guy most the time.I dont  worry about people gettin upset and most the time they put words in my mouth.Sorry you guys on the fast machines ,but I dont like them and pefer not to ride around them .I do however find myself amoungst them many times and I bite my tongue and just go the other way.I really dont think guys like me are the problem out there.I putt and  I drink a few beers.That does not automatically translate to driving enebreated.I prefer to ride with 4 wheelers while I allow the other go fast 2 wheelers their right to have their fun too,as long as they are respectful of the others out there.

Are there any ideas as to how we can let the rangers that we support them and want enforcement of the rules? I'll bet they would appreciate our support and do a better job of putting the rif-raf out.

Teej

Be careful what you wish for!  Remember, Croom is one of the last public riding spots available. Now take into consideration that you have, Racers, Novices, Casual Riders, and First Timers all converging on the same place.

Where I prefer to ride fast, agressively, and jump the back of the berms to get air, someone like my good friend Cheropride likes a nice casual slow trail ride sans helmet.


If we start asking the rangers to enforce the rules more stringently, we run the risk of them taking away more of our freedoms.

Do we really want that?

No we dont want that .the fewer rules the better but we need to police ourselves.I do tell the young maniacs to slow their asses down when they are endangering me or my family and friends.I have also yanked one off his machine to better get his attention.Most the time though the guys cuttin up will say sorry when confronted and after realizing they were getting carried away will excercise better judgement.I have met some great people out there riding and even though we all get carried away from time to time ,sometimes just a gentle reminder is all thats needed.

First idea would be for the rangers to actually DO SOMETHING when they see the same crap the rest of us see out there.

Yesterday we were parked in the back area right next to the bathrooms - near the kids area. Not one but 2 different rangers were in the same area and watched the same damn thing. Thought for sure they were going to stop the kid.

So here comes this kid on a red honda, red and white helmet, fox chest protector with neon green on the middle front, I am not for certain but I think it was a 400ex. The person on it looked really little on it - I really hope him or HIS PARENTS (pretty sure he was a kid)are on this site to read this. This kid never once rode a trail the entire time we were there (12p-5p). I say that because we watched him and ALL he did was race up and down ON THE ROAD flinging dirt and rocks on peoples trucks (trying to roost his buddy that looked like a grown man) either way our truck was right there as well as several others!!! That makes me so angry  >:(. So a ranger comes around the corner and the kid almost plows into his truck...did the ranger even stop him. NO..HE DIDN'T SAY ONE WORD. We saw him have SEVERAL close calls with cars due to him zipping around how he was. Anyway more than one ranger saw this as he almost hit one not even joking, then passed the same one doing the same thing.

I watched this person the entire time waiting for him to go back to his vehicle to go over and talk to him or his parents and couldn't figure out who he was with. There were a few trucks in the general area and I couldn't tell who he was with. 

Croom is just getting to dangerous because of people like this...complain we loose it, do nothing about it someone gets hurts, we loose it.

went to croom this past weekend  everyone including myself  behaved themselves. i got crazy in the trails and the pit only because i payed $50 for my sticker and mainly the fact that i haven't ridin since no port shut down      sorry no pics because i just rode and rode to hit every trail in the place and came close to
doing it. rode from 7am - 8pm only breaking for lunch 30 min and occasionly refillin the camelbak, it was alittle hot but not dusty. today i'm feelin it

I was at croom fri-sun every day was perfect weather a little hot but hey we are in florida.saturday evening saw 2 guys drag racing right down croom road near the last parking area .Then on sunday saw some kid on a white z400 wearing a helmet with tigger ears and tail riding with total disregaurd for all others around him very wreakless almost was in three collisions in the twenty minutes I saw him .He would just start doing donuts in front of oncoming bikes sad thing is I belive his dad was with him and never said a word.doing donuts is fine but you should at least choose an appropriate location were there is no traffic.

yes please stop it xr100  i say what i want and i never ask permission to say it ,,especially from imature litte kiddies. :-* :-* ;)

I posted a similar thread several months back.   I ride a Croom a ton, pretty much exclusively. 

I am being honest here and can say with certainty most crazy activity I see, ESPECIALLY way-loud exhaust and folks riding out-of-line are people riding sport quads with aftermarket exhausts.   I own 2 quads and three motorcycles that my entire family enjoy riding so I can say I am equally on both sides of the discussion.

I am confident that excessive noise is what ruins our riding opportunities here in Florida and across the nation.    Eliminate motorcycles from Croom?  That is pretty much never going to happen.   The entire place would close before they'd do that.  That facts are clear and are publically available.  Statistically motorcycles are considerably safer than four wheelers are so if statistics come into play it is quads that will be on the short end.

When I see people doing stupid stuff at Croom I nicely tell them to slow down, etc.   Loud pipes?   I would LOVE if the state of Florida would introduce a sound test and ENFORCE it.   

You think Loud pipes are dangerous?

I would prefer a louder pipe so I can hear the clown before he hits me! ;)

Hey Brad maybe you should turn down your hearing aids  2:L 2:L :P :P:L 2:L......Im just Playing with you, But in all seriousness Some pipes are toooo loud, but they make me even more crazy when the idiot just rides around the parking and doesnt ride the real trails.  I do beleive though that loud pipes save accidents though.

I agree with the pipe noise issue. If you attend any zoning or commisioner meetings concerning new riding area or tracks, the number one reason opposition opponents argue is that they Do Not Want the noise in their area. If quads and bikes were a little quieter and riders were more responsible, we would have more riding oppotunities.

Take the new state law allowing ATV riding on some dirt roads. These are roads some residents use to their homes. I enjoy riding and hate not being able to ride where I want to. Where I used to live in N. Ft. Myers, our neighborhood had to pay someone to grade and care for our road. Well we had kids constantly riding our road and doing donuts over and over again until the road was gouged out. Some residents got pissed and called the law continually until the law started patroling and harassing riders. Here I was a resident paying for my roads care, riding ATV's with my famiy responsibly and I get stopped on my own road by the law because of irresponsible ATV riders.

But loud pipes in the wrong areas are an issue. I understand the power gains of louder pipes, but they need to be used in the correct riding areas.

Teej

I'll catch hell for this but.......    race pipe=race track    :o

LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES

croom IS sooooooooo GOOD...i went there in the summer ;D

sbripple,
Maybe it was you or one of your friends this past weekend.  Big fat guy, covered in mud, little benie on his head for a helmet, riding a huge 4x4 quad, obviously intoxicated or just stupid. 

We have 7-8 people jumping over the back of this berm.  Adults like my self, all the way down to 2 little 7y/o.  We're single file in a line waiting as one goes and exits the jump area the next would go.  We'd been doing this for 30min at least.  This idiot cuts the next guy off (he has to lock them up not to hit this guy) and this guy tools over the jump, fugging it up for all behind him.   No worries, we smoothe out another jump a little beside the last one, and continue doing our thing.  This guy rides back and forth in the landing area, oblivious to anything around him, then leaves.  We continue doing our thing...without warning, he comes to the landing area and starts doing donuts, the guy on approach almost landed on him....this moron has a beer can holder on the side of his quad.

you shoulda roosted his dumbazz maybe he woulda got the hint!!

Hit it in 5th and sail right over his beanie, tap your rear break to drop it even closer to his dome.

He'll get the picture.

To BradG47 -

Thought you might want to know that starting next July Croom will begin taking decibel readings of all machines and any that test at over 96 decibels will not be allowed in.

Rangeral

next thing that needs to be done then is start 1 way trails.I many times have avoided serious collisions from blind spots by hearing someones loud exhaust comming my way and move to the side off the trail to avoid a head on.just my .02

I think 1 way trails is an awesome Idea I don't ride croom to much it is too far a ride for me but would love to see this implemented if possible for safety of others from some morons

  maybe you should take up golf????!!!!!!!

Ya know every sport has their village idiot. It's not really their fault..... well some of it. But when all the riding areas are being shut down you increase you chances of having multiple idiots in a isolated area. More areas to ride will give Croom less people and some of those people are the village idiots. I'd like to see them enforce a noise level on Croom. Haha. I'd say 60% of the loud bikes/quads are 4 stroke. And since they don't make 2 strokes anymore you're total memembership is made up of loud bikes/quads.  They sound like a wet fart and as much as I hate the sound that idea would never fly and hope it never makes an attempt to either. -Mark

Finally someone has articulated the connection between people who give the sport a bad name and the lack of legal riding areas.  It is a catch-22.  This is the toughest task to overcome in the name of ATV activism.

Well said Mark.  Thanks

SOOOOOO TRUUUUEEE!!!!!!!!   ;)

agreed about the whoops.  all it takes is a simple machine WHICH CROOM HAS!  they used it a few times to smooth the trails to cut it off for a service road.

Well, probably not a popular opinion, but Croom is great!!! The old Park "hag" Manager left back in the beginning of the year and since then the place is starting to get some much needed TLC. Don't Dis the Park Rangers, they can only do so much and maintain what the HAVE To do.

For the most part, if you see someone doing something really stupid that endangers others, if you let them know they will do something about it. 

They have been grooming trails a lot lately (not going to say where because I don't want them to get all whooped out again) and they are sprucing up the campground in a week or so.

I have two bikes and one quad. I don't care who rides what and I think it is the attitude of the rider, not what he rides that makes the difference.

My PET PEAVE: Quads (or motorcycles) doing donuts in the pit, main road, parking lot or campground just going round and round and round..........most of the time it is so dusty out there you make it where you can taste the dirt for days, and you idiots that think donuts are cool are the ones that suck.........my opinion.......

I take trails that are perfectly flat and basically untouched everytime i go.  You just have to know where they are and not to tell everyone hey here is the smooth trail ruin it.

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sbripple,
Maybe it was you or one of your friends this past weekend.  Big fat guy, covered in mud, little benie on his head for a helmet, riding a huge 4x4 quad, obviously intoxicated or just stupid.  Also I am not a moron.I do drive a large 4x4quad but I dont go anywhere near the bikes jumping stuff.I am sure you will twist this somehow too though so go ahead,but that would make you the moron then.

We have 7-8 people jumping over the back of this berm.  Adults like my self, all the way down to 2 little 7y/o.  We're single file in a line waiting as one goes and exits the jump area the next would go.  We'd been doing this for 30min at least.  This idiot cuts the next guy off (he has to lock them up not to hit this guy) and this guy tools over the jump, fugging it up for all behind him.   No worries, we smoothe out another jump a little beside the last one, and continue doing our thing.  This guy rides back and forth in the landing area, oblivious to anything around him, then leaves.  We continue doing our thing...without warning, he comes to the landing area and starts doing donuts, the guy on approach almost landed on him....this moron has a beer can holder on the side of his quad.
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Morons at croom that have the beer in their hand or riding without a helmet will ruin it for everyone.

Was that you guys hitting the jump up at the sandpit?

I was the guy on the pink 450 wearing the aquasox, shower cap and overalls! Did you see me hit that tree? Man, I was so wasted!


The doctor said I can't ride for 4  - 6 weeks, but it was worth it. I'm gonna upload video of it if the ambulance driver gives me back my video camera.

That was crazy i almost though you were gonna hit that jump! but that tree decided to jump in right in front of ya LOL  ;D

Croom is notorious for trees jumping in front of people haha I broke my wrist and was knocked out in the woods for a little bit around last november.  My saying is "Trees dont move"

I've read this whole thread and I see everyone saying "Why dont the rangers do anything?".  My question is, why dont you?  If you see someone being a jerkoff and speeding, littering, etc why wont you speak up?  If your that upset about it, take matters into your own hands.  If you see someone doing something against the rules at Croom approach them about it. 

good for you thats what should happen.  It shouldnt be just th park rangers that stop stuff.  Anyone know what color the new Croom pass is?  I wasn able to go today and get the new one.  Just curious because my friend and I were taking bets on the colors it could be. haha

And by approach I mean you go up to them and say "Im gonna kick yur ass!" lol.  When I get another quad I know that when I go to Croom and see this im not going to just sit back then complain about it on here later.  I will take action.

If I see someone doing someone, I am outa there.
Oh and BTW, how you gonna feel if you go up to someone & run your gums & they whip the living shizitt out of you. Better yet he shoots you or takes a club to ya.
That was some stupid advice.

LMAO I didnt even notice I put someone.  I posted that late at night so thats probably why -- I meant something ::).  I doubt that will happen, im not a small guy.  If someone wants to take me on a expense-paid trip to croom for the day I'll prove to ya I wont get my @ss kicked.  We need some trouble makers though. ;)  Just let me buy a "SHERIFF" shirt first.

if I see somone doin someone I'm gonna get it on video  LMAO

SHUTTUP LOL.

I always wanted to get a smokey the bear suit and ride around and just say to people dont do that save my home or something stupid just to see what they would do if smokey the bear approached them

 :K :tsktsk.gif :S :oo :Wacko.gif

Now if you dress up as Jesus, that would be a site lol.  90% positive someone would report a Jesus sighting and the press would be all over Croom :D

I got it! Sasquatch!  Ole Big Foot walking through the woods.  Hey if I saw someting waking thats big and hairy through the woods I would crap my pants and ride so fast it would be a new record from one side of the park to the other.

Lol there is a Florida Swamp Ape towards the Miami area so I wouldnt doubt believers would run up here thinking it was a "migration".  I wouldnt ride away, I would be like the guys on Jack Link's beef jerky commercials.  'Messin with sasquatch' -- lol

lol yeah i like the one where sasquatch is cookin and the guy sneaks over ond loosens the top on the salt shaker

Ever seen the Internet Only version?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfp2gOOaR-g

Waterbowl prank, internet only:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2d_m2OVa_g&NR=1

Flaming Bag, internet only:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVM62idO9MA

Pickup, internet only:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpTXjxU3WLQ

Watch face, internet only:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4vL-ajp8sU

Joy Buzzer, internet only:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaJ4FU-dlRM

 :R

I love the Jack Links commercials

I ride agressive and fast, and I always thought that was acceptable at Croom.


Anyone tells me to slow down, I'll be like "Don't make me take this shower cap off and beat your azz."

Seriously, though..what's the protocol for approaching someone who is being a jackoff, especially if it's someone elses kids? I see this at RR a lot, kids riding two to an ATV without helmets, and other irresponsible riding behavior. 

I never understood the need to speed through the parking area when there is a wide open sand pit 40 yards away at croom.

As for caution, I always keep my head on a swivel to watch out for the less skilled riders, but that's how I was taught to ride.

Overall, I'd say Croom is a pretty cool place to ride, and that no matter what they do at Croom, someone will complain about the set up and the riders. I think it's just the nature of people to complain.

Maybe one day when/if you get a quad, you can start the croom vigilante group. I guarantee you can and will get your azz kicked. I dont give a rats azz how big you think you are, a .45 cal. hollow point will take you down.
Maybe rebel should enter the UFC since he is such a freaking badazz then when he becomes the champion, he will have made enough money to buy a quad & then he can go to croom & kick everyones azz.

Greenmachine..you should not mess with him. You don't know who he is. He's Reggie Warren Jr. and you can see his video here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mftOj6HHaWw

Anyway, I wouldn't want THAT guy after me.

You misread my post before.  I'm going to buy a black SHERIFF shirt and take my bunny-police badge, peel off the bunny sticker, and in green crayon write HCSO.   ;)

Bragging about how big & bad you are & guaranteeing noone will kick your azz isnt funny. You have been on 2 threads advising people to fight over who goes first in a trail.
Think about your advice before you type it.
I get your joke now. sorry to come off harsh.
Violence doesnt solve any problems just makes more.

Sounds like someone needs a beatin'.

I'm not bragging, im just stating.  And in the other thread another members proposed violence.  I just said to do it in a pack, works out better that way.  And believe it or not, in some cases violence is the answer.  I dont care how many people say it isnt, there are some times where it is.  You can have the biggest jerkoff at Croom speeding, littering, being an all around jackass.  Go tell the Rangers and the guy wont care.  Gang up on him then he will care.

Shuttup you drunk :o

my buddys mom is really good at sewing/upholstery and all that stuff....anyways we wanted her to make him a skunk ape costume,she wouldnt do it because she was afraid he would get shot lol thats what would prolly happen to ya  ;D

lol well it says firearms proghibited in croom but anyone could still have 1 in heir truck.  I doubt they would ride with it htough no worries lol.