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Pretty cut and dry. 


The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1990 - Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:

(none)

Medicine:

1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

 
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The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.02% of the world population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
Physics:

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloc h
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charle s Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jaco b
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis

The Jews are not promoting brain washing their children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims.

The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more
culpability on Israel's part , the following two sentences really say it all:

If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.

I think it bares noting that the company that gives out the Noble Prize is the firm of


Levenstien, Goldstein, and Steinstein.

keep in mind that the jews did take land from the muslims and that is why the muslims dont like us because we support it. I'm not saying jews are bad infact they are very smart that is why they control the media and other industries today but the fact of the matter is they did take these peoples land and if they just compromised and gave some of it back there wouldnt be terriost attacks in israel.

I like digginfool's post, it's certainly a catalyst for thought and discussion.

But after some reflection, I wonder if we aren't perpetuating the problem by that listing/post".

It's interesting that we have the notion to split the two groups and dichatomize them by "religious affiliation"...but shouldn't they all be ONE group.

Why are they different, why can't they be grouped as "people who won the Nobel Peace Prize"?

Certainly, we can't quantify it as all Jews are good and All Muslims are bad...at best, if we were to generalize, we could say "some are good" while "some are bad"...which isn't really saying anything constructive at all.


(Nerd boy will now offer a list of Socratic Syllogisms to emphasize his point)

Actually the Jews did not "take" the land. They were actually put there by neighboring countries. They just as well figured they would put all the jews in one place. But that back fired when they needed more land if my history is correct. After realizing that their plan had backfired the surrounding countries attacked isreal only to get their cans handed to them and parts of their country now being ruled by Isreal. This contuined untill surrounding countries just decided to give up. So they didnt take the land. But good point anyway.

Isn't that the point of this forum; to initiate an open discussion?  I didn't write it and it's not necessarily my point of view (although the last two sentences are probably true).  I read it and figured it was controversial enough to start a good argument and see how the members of this forum would respond to current events.  Besides, a quick look into recent history will show that UN Partition Plan 181 in 1947 formed Israel and when the other Arab nations attempted to attack Israel (formerly Palestine) to annihilate the Palestinian Jews, the Palestinian Arabs evacuated the area to avoid the battle; they left of their own free will.  Israel neither took the land nor forced the Palestinian Arabs out.  Of course, they didn't let them back in, either.  Hey, Uncle Rico!  Where's Corneil?  (geez... have the nerve to call me nerd boy...  At least I didn't scrape my screen name from some late night Nickelodeon cartoon)  Call me what you will but I'm quite comfortable with myself.

Hey Mad, beat me to the draw.  At least somebody besides me was paying attention.

Na, I just for some reason remember 7th grade history... :-[

Umm, actually it was an attempt at self deprecating humor. I was refering to myself as per my reference to "quantifiers" and "sylogisms".

i isnt as smart as ya'll with all dem big words BUT.............

the reverse of the last two sentences is true as well.

too put a particular group of people on a pedestal is wrong.

the jews have done as much harm to this world as anyone else.


asa-lama-leica my brother...... ;D

IMHO

Salakem Alem!

Can I interest you in a bean pie, my brother?

Well said Gery...Sooner or later people will recognize that it's pointless to make a non quantified generalization. It serves no purpose, no matter how accurate the stereotype may be.

Forget about the Jews, forget about the Muslims...the one's you need to keep an eye on are the Danish.

"Ronny, it's the Dane's the worry me!"

(For all of those who remember Ron and Ron here in Florida)

muy bien rico.

"There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. "
 ;D

gery350, Surely you jest, or at least I hope so. Gery I've read enough of your post's to know you are actually pretty smart. But, those "last two lines" are actually spot on. I know because I've spent time in the Middle East, and I am neither Jewish or Arabic.
Everyone, not just people reading this forum really need to listen to what a fellow by the name of Walid Shoebat has too say about this and you'll get a clearer picture of what is going on around the world when it comes to Muslim's, Arab and other convert's, talk about intolerance.
Check this website out, www.shoebat.com :ThumbsUp.gif
By the way Ron & Ron rocked :drink.gif

They did compromise and give some back and did peace reign?  No, the local terrorist organizations kidnapped a couple of Isreal's soldiers. And they don't hate us becaus we support Isreal, they hate us because we're not Muslim Arabs. If they didn't have Isreal so close they would simply extend their range and target us....AGAIN.  Their idea of an acceptable Earth would be comprised of a land that has been wiped clean of all but those subscribing to the Muslim religion and way of life. Even then there would not be an end to the violence. They would then fight amongst themselves trying to wipe out the other until Suni, Shia, or (I forget the name) the third Muslim versions. And even then that wouldn't end the violence, they would focus on which woman accidentally lifted her vail and exposed her face and stone her to death. When you preach, indoctrinate, and force a lifestyle on others through coersion or death you can NEVER have a peaceful existence.

ok maybe i pushed the reversal of fortune thing a bit.

but no one is totally innocent.(except o.j. simpson)  ;D

Funny O0

I am not a War Monger but the current situation is what is more important Right Now. This very day Hezbollah is being re-armed via Syria with the main influence and resources from Iran. I hate to say it, but there will be no peace in the region as well around the globe untill these countries are blown to hell, forever. We are leaving our children and granchildren a war that will last for the ages. We have to stop them NOW. It will not stop untill they see the big mushroom cloud rising in their nations capital. Mark my words. Remember this post untill it happens. They must be destroyed. History will repeat itself and we will be the Victors. 

That's a bit extreme, Dave.  We would only be practicing genocide ourselves; performing the act that the Arabs are trying to do to the infidels.  One thing that needs to be made clear and that is we are leaving no war to our children.  The people of the Middle East have been fighting amongst themselves for over 5,000 years and it's not going to change anytime soon.  I will say that I agree with a heavy-handed response when the situation dictates.  But genocide is wrong no matter whose side you are on.

I understand what your saying Digginfool, and it is extreme. Thats why the call them Extremists. The conventional approaches will not work. Thay have no country, no face, no army to take out. We are in it for the long haul unless we eliminate them off the face of the earth. Its us or them.

I understand what your saying Digginfool, and it is extreme. Thats why the call them Extremists. The conventional approaches will not work. Thay have no country, no face, no army to take out. We are in it for the long haul unless we eliminate them off the face of the earth. Its us or them.

OOps, my bad. Double post.