ATV Florida Forum

I'm noticing a theme developing on the threads, with regards to government and county commisions in particular.  It seems that they're making laws to ban or seriously regulate ATV riding everywhere in the state.

I'm wondering if the problem is less specific than that, in that we have these elected officials, and all they do is MAKE NEW LAWS.   

It seems I rarely here of them taking a law off the books, but I'm always hearing of new laws imposed, telling people what they CAN'T DO, or what they're going to regulate, or how much increase of taxes or fines they're going to impose.

When these elected officials pass a law, they just move on to what NEW law they can pass next. Isn't it a never ending process?

I think they should have to REMOVE TWO LAWS before they can ADD ONE LAW.  That way they have to be careful as to what laws they are going to make. It seems now, they just make laws on whims, as if to keep busy and appease the people who are currently complaining.

It's not like they're ever gonna show up and say, "OK, our work here is done, lets disband, we have enough laws"  They'll just keep making new laws until there is nothing left to ban or regulate.

Anyone agree with these ideas?

I for one do.  This is a great country, but sometimes I wonder if there are others with more freedoms than we have. 

Just another one of the lies we've had to hear for years now. At the same time, we're all simultaneously being fed the "Fear and Loathing in America campaign/agenda. Be afraid and hate everything and everyone different from you or your views. It's sad. Oh, and we won't even discuss our brilliant plan for peace in the Middle East.

You know people w/agenda's like this and others, ie, (not to bring up bad topic/politics) green peace, they have so many people rallied up to help their cause.  They make their voice heard.  They spend every waking moment to support their cause, sometimes, I also think that they get so wrapped up in their cause, they stop listening to reason. 

Another type is like the hispanic population.  They are smart, they stick together, they get their voices heard. They don't stop until their voice are heard.   And though we love our interest, we need to find the time to do the same.  But I must say it takes a certain type of individual to do that, cause I do at times get involved w/my city's issues and let me tell you it takes alot of time and a lot of work to get things done. You have to be all these commission meetings, special interest meetings, county meetings, it must take 20 or so meetings for just one issue, which in our normal relm of life, takes alot of our time. 

So yea, I think we can all make a change, but we ALL have to work really HARD at it and yea, better believe it is going take alot of your time and energy to do so.  Anyone who has ever worked w/local goverment knows this for sure.....

I received the following information recently, and it is very interesting reading.  Unless our elected officials set aside their own agendas and selfish pandering interests, I'm afraid our democracy is in trouble.  I agree, how can we have freedom if we have so many laws?

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How Long Do We Have? Historically this is true.

About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution,
Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of
Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some
2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up
until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous
gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always
votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public
treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due
to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning
of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these
nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage "

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Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:

1. Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush:
143 million

2. Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000

3. States won by: Gore: 19; Bush: 29

4. Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2; Bush: 2.1


Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won
was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great
country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements living off government welfare."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency & apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation's population already
having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake,
knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

Unclerico, I agree with you and I've seen this in Broward County, Lee County, and more in Collier County.  Cheropride, you hit the spot.  Good topic !