ATV Florida Forum

Someone sent this to me...thought it was worth sharing:

Love him or loathe him, he nailed this one..........

By Rush Limbaugh:


I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die serving our country in Uniform are profound. No one is really talking about it either, because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well, I can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really  disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.


If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable. Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough. Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers.

We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad. Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low-rent housing. Make sense?

However, our own US Congress voted themselves a raise. Many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month. And most are now equal to
being millionaires plus. They do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system. If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, they may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed them in harm's way receives a pension of $15,000 per month.

I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting. " When do we finally do something about this?" If this doesn't seem fair to you, it is time to forward this to as many people as you can.

I can honestly say I have never agreed with anything that fat a@#, pill poppin, drug addicted, hypocrite ever said, until today.  Thanks for posting

TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL!

I think most that money for 911 came from private donations. Another thing military is for the poor and thats why they get what they get. Sad but true! 

If there is one thing we can agree on TRX#9 is to disagree. I want to address your comment How do you come up with that. The Military is not for the poor. unless I mis-understand your statement I think that it is the most ungrateful statement leading to our military short of Jane Fonda's revolting display for our vietnam veterans. The reason you have the freedom's you have are for people like myself who have served our great Nation and those who are cotinuing to keep your rearend safe and not speaking a forien language because you have too is due to the military fighting to keep our Nation safe. I dont know you personally and apologise if I have taken your statement incorrectly. You will more than likely find a shared sentament from fellow current and prior military members. If you can recall members of this site arranged a ride to support a fellow rider  and military member jungalo warrior in support for his contribution to the military.
 It is sad that some folks take for granted the things that they dont directly have a hand in.  But then again our military fights for you to have that freedom. I make it a point to shake the hand and say thank you to each military member that comes into my dealership and who cross my path through my daily walk in life.

This Marine Died for the poor? Not Hardly He Died for our Freedom

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/Chuck_Norris/VET2.jpg)

I totally agree with you Chuck! Yes, there are some people who have only a high school education and not a lot of money who go into the military for a better life or a better chance to make it in society once they get out of the service. Look at the lifetime benefits from the military. You have the VA hospital that gives free medical care for life for any veteran of the military, you have home loans availible through the VA which in my understanding is a much better loan than through a bank. I was never in the military but my Dad and my Grandfather on my Mom's side was. My Dad was diagnosed with MS and the VA has taken care of all his medical and prescription drugs. My Grandfather passed away in 1988 from cancer but again everything was paid for by the military. My Grandfather was very high up in the military and all that he did is highly classified still to this day. When he passed, my Grandmother was given a hand written letter by then President, Ronald Reagan. While I cannot say what my Granfather did, I do know this. My no stretch of the immagination was he poor. He came from a poor family going into the military but when he passed away, he was well off due to what he did in the military. I have a good friend who enlisted as a Marine officer out of college. He wanted to continue his college by going to law school. The military offered to pay for everything if he enlisted. He did several years ago and has no regrets. While he is not rich, for what he does, he makes pretty good money. I don't recall his exact rank or position but I know he makes at least 50 to 60k a year. Not bad for a 32 year old that is married with no kids. Oh yeah, the military is also paying for all his schooling too. One of my biggest wonders is wondering where I would be had I joined the Armed Forces. I have nothing but the utmost respect for our military men and women and appreciate all they do. I tested for the Armed Forces in high school and scored off the charts. Similar to what my Grandfather did when he enlisted. I was offered everything from Pilot school out of boot camp to Special forces in the Navy and Army. My reasons for turning down the military were because I thought the same thing as you at hte time. My pay at first would have been very little and I was making pretty good money back then working in the music industry. I also at the time didn't like the fact they controled where I go and what I do. What I neglected to see back then was the military teaches you things like honor, duty, serving and sacrifice. Because I never enlisted the "What if" question has always been in my mind ever since. So to all the military men and women on here, I want to say Thank You for all you have done in serving our country!
God bless!
Jason

well said chuck

As for the originations of the  donations ok, but the other.... the military is for the poor? No the military is for those that wish to serve their country. Not only do they receive monetary compensation, benefits, job experience, training, education opportunities, but also our well deserved respect. I know people of all walks that are in or have been in the military. If those of a lower socio-economic status choose to use such an opportunity to better themselves while servingtheir country that's great. But to make such a biased, one sided, ridiculous statement like the military is for the poor is just out of line and off the mark. Just another inflammatory remark by someone with such skewed ideals that he feels it imperative to spew it that others may gag on it instead of choking on it himself. Misery loves company, and stupidity is quickly shouted out amongst an unwelcoming public. From some you just have to expect it, consider the source and move on.

God Bless America, and the proud service men and women that serve to protect us all.

I'm wrong I guess the military is for the rich. I forgot most rich republicans send there kids to the armed forces. Chuck are you deaf were in mexico (forien language). Were did I say i don't support the troops, trying to start $hit again. Get a hobby!

Isn't it like 90% of people that enter the military are poor. Why is stating the truth as your panties in a bunch.  Don't you see the government uses the lives of these poor soldiers for there finacial gain. So grow up and educate yourself you tard. Life is blind, until you take the blinders off.  ??? Quit listening to the dumbest person on earth your mentor Pres. Bush. And please go sign up and go because and can't stand to here your narrow minded jibberous again.

Hypocrisy at it's finest LOL  This is America, no one is forced into military service like in many nations of the world where indeed they are used to the benefit of the elite. here it is a choice. and some use it to remove themselves from poverty while others use it to fulfill the need to contribute to a better world. Then there are malcontents that simply run their dissenting mouths in any attempt to spread their leftist propoganda even at the expense of dishonoring those that sacrifice to afford them the self righteous opportunity to spit their verbal nonsense in any direction they wish at the expense of others.

A little advice - grip your ears, pull your head out of your own rear end, and join the world of conscious thinking individuals that don't simply regurgitate their party's rhetoric without evaluating its merit or lack thereof.

Cain

Weren't you ban before Cain, for all that jibberious Limbaugh bull$hit?

1. "90% of the people that enter the military are poor"
2. "dumbest person in America is my mentor President Bush"
3. "most rich republicans send there kids to the armed forces"
4. "Why is stating the truth as your panties in a bunch"
5. the government uses the lives of these poor soldiers for there finacial gain.
6. So grow up and educate yourself you tard
7. please go sign up and go because and can't stand to here your narrow minded jibberous again.

Sure does sound like someone needs a check up from the neck up. you commented on us being narrowed minded and that we need to educate ourselves. How wrong you are, It is clear who needs the education.
Now the one comment specific I want to address with you on a personal nature as you have found it nessary to insult the integrity of the Brave Men and Women who keep your butt safe is: what have you done for your/our country? I have been on the front line and returned home just to hear someone like you complain. If you truley want to face the real life as it is instead of the fictional happy go lucky place you have conjured up in your own mind, experience what many of our US servicemen have and then come here with your educated gripes and complaints. Nothing that you can say has a sense of validity nor can hold an ounce of water. I certainly hope that you are good at riding your quad because you certainly dont have a clue about life. All though I enjoy the challenge you bring with every uneducated comment, 1 of 2 things can happen at this stage in the conversation you can either seriously look back on at what is said, not only on this topic but several others that you have blasphemd through, do your own research and educate yourself or continue being immature with the nonsense unfactual comments you have been so good at thus far. The door to oppurtuntiy awaits, you just have to turn the knob.           

No I was the target of a great political conspiracy  8)  Don't worry though I've been here all along.

Thats  my  boy !  Still  kickin  ass !  Tell-em  Cain ! :ThumbsUp.gif ;)

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Ok, its one thing to sit there and piss and moan about the president. Some peoples lives are centered around it. But its another to sit there and dis respect our troops. The same people who risk their lives everyday just to give you the ability to bi*ch about them? You seriously need some help there. And why is it that people always say that the big mean evil president bush and his gang of fire breathing minions and deamons use the lives of soliders to get more money. Last time I checked, the president doesnt get a monster salary. Cheney hasn't been part of Haliburton in years. They had more no-bid contracts in the clinton years then they do now. And do you know why they get them now, because there the only company big enough to do the jobs! Cheny sold all of his stock in that company awhile back. But you probably didnt even know what haliburton was because you just repeat whatever the mass media says. So untill you can make a valid argument you need to seirously pipe down.

Thats what I am talking about there. How does a kid like you get so smart. Probably have parents that actually raised you instead of relying on the schools and police to do it.

LMAO at this statement!  As Red Foreman from the 70's show would say....You're a dumbass!

Not to debate anyone, but just to say, I think it is sad how this nation has lost it's pride in a sense.  To say the military is for the poor, well thats just wrong, without our military and the brave individuals that serve made this country what it is today, keeps our country safe and deserves our utmost respect and honor.  There is a lot of crazy stuff going on in this world and if go back to how we all felt after 9-11, we had no choice but to do what we did.  People bang our President for sending troops to Iraq, but don't think for a moment, that Iraq did not play a big part of 9-11.  As for our troops and their families, they deserve so much more than they get.  Perhaps some of those donations should go to the soliders families that lost their loved ones.  Perhaps we should have a big TV promotion to support our troops to donate monies to their families.  And since we are on the subject, we should always respect our President.  Everyone may not like or agree with him, but you know, he is our elected President by the people for the people.  It is so easy to say what someone else would do in Mr. President's shoes, but you know what, I would not want to walk a mile in his shoes.  We could not begin to image what the stress that man must endure each and everyday.  Cause we all know, we only know a very small part of the whole story, we could not handle the truth, it would scare us all to death.  So we go on with our normal lives, bash our president, bash our troops, but at the same time a solider is killed by someone they did not even realize was the enemy.  The MEDIA makes it so much worse, we hear for months how a few soliders mistreated the prisoners, but how about when the enemy took our soliders and plucked their eyes out and totally tortured them to death.  Well they only report on that for a week or so.  Don't make sense to me.  Or how about when they crashed the planes in the Trade Centers and killed all of those innocent people, lets not forget what it at stake here.

God Bless America!!!!  In God We Trust!!!!

Just because we are in a war on terrow does not mean that you can't question your president.   We can't just walk around and assume he is doing everything right with no questions asked.  He is only a man and can make mistakes just like anyone else and if he makes a mistake it's our duty to point them out.  Now, I'm not saying he did make a mistake by going into Iraq but he should have sent in force big enough to get the job done in a timely manner.

And as far as respecting our president goes I agree but how can our opinions mean anything with all the politics going on in Washington.  The republicans went after Clinton for all 8 yrs he was in office about Whitewater.  And then the Monica Lewenski thing should have been left up to his family to deal with he never should have been impeached for that.  I think politics is dividing this country more than any time that I can remember, democrats against republicans or republicans against democrats it's all the same and it's ALL hurting this country.  Good luck

Were did I say anything bad about the people serving our country? I only bashed the President. When are you going to man up and admit the Presidents wrong, Your just like Bush can never admit when your wrong. Its your government that you helped elect that gives the soldier the lousy pay, no body armor but an ever ending supply of body bads huh! Here's one of your typical come back to what I just said, its the price to pay to keep our country safe, You have no respect for our service men, you certainly don't have a clue about life, then you show a dead service man on the bottom of the screen and say this man died for the poor not hardly he died for our freedom. See I save you typing too. Thats how you try to start your $hit. I think you would make a good politician with your mis leading corrupt values of telling people these soldiers are dieing for our freedom. I'm to smart for you fish-eye-fool.

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IMO, we 'THE PEOPLE' should fire most if not all the dem's & repub's this Nov as they are definitely not serving us. As said above they are dividing this country because of party lines. "Scotty, there is no intelligent life". We're supposed to be the greatest nation on earth and all they can pass up there is a flag burning amendment (not that it isn't important to me) but I believe there are more pressing issues facing this country as in sealing our borders, getting our troops the best gear that money can buy and things like that. I served during the height of the cold war and was proud to do it. I didn't think that I was poor then, only that I was well trained at my job and ready to kick some butt if it came to it. We worked hard and played hard and I feel I'm a better person for it today. So if you haven't served your country in some positive way other than just trudging through life.... Just my opinion and I'll get of my soapbox now.  JB

A:1. "90% of the people that enter the military are poor"
5. the government uses the lives of these poor soldiers for there finacial gain.
There is 2 start with

A:Wrong, right or indifferent he is still my President, Commander and Chief and represents the best nation in the world. I'll support him. I did not agree with Clinto and his loose morals but I severed him.
You dont know me do you. get back on your media wagon
If you dont like my government get out of my Country, the first time you have the intestinal fortitude to sign up and serve this country, your worldly views would change. especially the first time your on forien soil and dont have the amenaties that you take solely for granted here in America
I am one you moron, veteran does that term mean anything to you. once a service men always a service man, and when did you serve? oh thats right you didnt. Your too busy burning your draft card or was it your bra.
what have you done for your/our country? I have been on the front line and returned home just to hear someone like you complain. If you truley want to face the real life as it is instead of the fictional happy go lucky place you have conjured up in your own mind, experience what many of our US servicemen have and then come here with your educated gripes and complaints
I think a few people will disagree with you. Excuse me while I get just a tad bit Pridefull. I have great family values, awsome work ethic, I believe in God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. I am a Road Chaplain for a Local Motorcycle Group  I retain both Moral and tradional views,not worldly obsessions. now that you have my resume, sure sounds as though I have some value 
nah that is my brother and I highly doubt your to smart based on the current display of intellect
to quote you:
that is intellegence at its best.

Most those quotes was me making fun of your the kind of replies to anything I say you idoit. Look at were I said  your (typical come back) I was making fun of you about your over patriotism BS talk. And I ment your policital corrupt values, I can only pick on what I see and thats only on whats said here. I sure your a great guy, We just don't agree on a lot of these issues, I would like to end this point less debate. I'm sure we could agree on something related to atv's.  (Maybe)

A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE

Your alarm goes off, you hit the snooze and sleep for another 10 minutes.
He stays up for days on end.
-- --
You take a warm shower to help you wake up.
He goes days or weeks without running water.
-- --
You complain of a "headache", and call in sick.
He gets shot at, as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.
-- --
You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet
up with your friends.
He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.
-- --
You make sure you're cell phone is in your pocket.
He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.
-- --
You talk trash on your "buddies" that aren't with you.
He knows he may not see some of his buddies again.
-- --
You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.
He walks the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.
-- --
You complain about how hot it is.
He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his brow.
-- --
You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your
order wrong.
He does not get to eat today.
-- --
Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.
He wears the same things for months, but makes sure his weapons are clean.
-- --
You go to the mall and get your hair redone.
He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.
-- --
You are angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.
He is told he will be held an extra 2 months.
----
You call your girlfriend and set a date for that night.
He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.
-- --
You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.
He holds his letter close and smells his love's perfume.
-- --
You roll your eyes as a baby cries.
He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if they'll ever meet.
-- --
You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.
He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own government and
remembers why he is fighting.
-- --
You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of the men like him.
He hears the gun fire and bombs.
-- --
You see only what the media wants you to see.
He sees the bodies lying around him.
-- --
You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.
He does what he is told.
-- --
You stay at home and watch TV.
He takes whatever time he is given to call and write home, sleep, and eat.
-- --
You crawl into your bed, with down pillows, and try to get comfortable.
He crawls under a tank for shade and a 5 minute nap, only to be woken by gun fire.
-- --
You sit there and judge him, saying the world is a worse place
because of men like him. If only there were more men like him
-- --
Freedom Is Not Free, Someone Pays for it with Blood, Sweat, Tears and Lives.
-- --
If you support your troops, send this on!!!!

"Dominus Fortissima Turris"

IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS,
PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM!!!

For all you Bush haters out there, here is an e-mail my wife sent me!


A friend says he checked this story on www.truthorfiction.com and it is a
true story.

Remarkable Moments
Story by: Bruce Vincent

For those of us who sometimes find ourselves having doubts about our
President, here is an excellent piece--- worth every minute it takes to read
it. This is from a man, Bruce Vincent, from Montana who received an award
from the President. He writes:

I've written the following narrative to chronicle the day of the award
ceremony in DC. I'm still working on a press release but the White House
press corps has yet to provide a photo to go with it. When the photo comes
I'll ship it out. When you get done reading this you'll understand the
dilemma I face in telling this story beyond my circle of close friends.

Stepping into the Oval Office, each of us was introduced to the President
and Mrs. Bush. We shook hands and participated in small talk. When the
President was told that we were from Libby, Montana, I reminded him that
Marc Racicot is our native son and the President offered his warm thoughts
about Governor Racicot. I have to tell you, I was blown away by two things
upon entering the office.

First, the Oval Office sense of 'place' is unreal. The President later
shared a story of Russian President Putin entering the room prepared to
tackle the President in a tough negotiation and upon entering the atheist
muttered his first words to the President and they were "Oh, my God."

I concurred. I could feel the history in my bones. Second, the man that
inhabits the office engaged me with a firm handshake and a look that can
only be described as penetrating. Warm, alive, fully engaged, disarmingly pe
netrating. I was admittedly concerned about meeting the man. I think all of
us have an inner hope that the most powerful man in our country is worthy of
the responsibility and authority that we bestow upon them through our vote.




I admit that part of me was afraid that I would be let down by the moment -
that the person and the place could not meet the lofty expectations of my
fantasy world. This says nothing about my esteem for President Bush but just
my practical realization that reality may not match my 'dream.'

Once inside the office, President Bush got right down to business and,
standing in front of his desk, handed out the awards one at a time while
posing for photos with the winners and Mrs. Bush. With the mission
accomplished, the President and Mrs. Bush relaxed and initiated a lengthy,
informal conversation about a number of things with our entire small group.
He and the First Lady talked about such things as the rug in the office. It
is traditionally designed by the First Lady to make a statement about the
President, and Mrs. Bush chose a brilliant yellow sunburst pattern to
reflect 'hope.' President Bush talked about the absolute need to believe
that with hard work and faith in God there is every reason to start each day
in the Oval Office with hope. He and the First Lady were asked about the
impact of the Presidency on their marriage and, with an arm casually wrapped
around Laura, he said that he thought the place may be hard on weak
marriages but that it had the ability to make strong marriages even stronger
and that he was blessed with a strong one.

After about 30 or 35 minutes, it was time to go. By then we were all relaxed
and I felt as if I had just had an excellent visit with a
friend. The President and First Lady made one more pass down the line of
awardees, shaking hands and offering congratulations. When the President
shook my hand I said, "thank you Mr. President and God bless you and your
family." He was already in motion to the next person in line, but he stopped
abruptly turned fully back to me, gave me a piercing look, renewed the vigor
of his handshake and said, "Thank you and God bless you and yours as well."

On our way out of the office we were to leave by the glass doors on the west
side of the office. I was the last person in the exit line. As I shook his
hand one final time, President Bush said, "I'll be sure to tell Marc hello
and give him your regards."

I then did something that surprised even me. I said to him, "Mr. President,
I know you are a busy man and your time is precious. I also know you to be a
man of strong faith and have a favor to ask you."

As he shook my hand he looked me in the eye and said, "Just name it." I told
him that my step-Mom was at that moment in a hospital in Kalispell, Montana,
having a tumor removed from her skull and it would mean a great deal to me
if he would consider adding her to his prayers that day. He grabbed me by
the arm and took me back toward his desk as he said, "So that's it. I could
tell that something is weighing heavy on your heart today. I could see it in
your eyes. This explains it."

From the top drawer of his desk he retrieved a pen and a note card with his
seal on it and asked, "How do you spell her name?" He then jotted a note to
her while discussing the importance of family and the strength of prayer.
When he handed me the card, he asked about the surgery and the prognosis. I
told him we were hoping that it is not a recurrence of an earlier cancer and
that if it is they can get it all with this surgery.

He said, "If it's okay with you, we'll take care of the prayer right now.
Would you pray with me?" I told him yes and he turned to the staff that
remained in the office and hand motioned the folks to step back or leave. He
said, "Bruce and I would like some private time for a prayer."

As they left he turned back to me and took my hands in his. I was prepared
to do a traditional prayer stance - standing with each other with heads
bowed. Instead, he reached for my head with his right hand and pulling
gently forward, he placed my head on his shoulder. With his left arm on my
mid back, he pulled me to him in a prayerful embrace.

He started to pray softly. I started to cry. He continued his prayer for
Loretta and for God's perfect will to be done. I cried some more. My body
shook a bit as I cried and he just held tighter. He closed by asking God's
blessing on Loretta and the family during the coming months. I stepped away
from our embrace, wiped my eyes, swiped at the tears I'd left on his
shoulder, and looked into the eyes of our p resident. I thanked him as best
I could and told him that me and my family would continue praying for he and
his.

As I write this account down and reflect upon what it means, I have to tell
you that all I really know is that his simple act left me humbled and
believing. I so hoped that the man I thought him to be was the man that he
is. I know that our nation needs a man such as this in the Oval Office.
George W. Bush is the real deal. I've read Internet stories about the
President praying with troops in hospitals and other such uplifting
accounts. Each time I read them I hope them to be true and not an Internet
perpetuated myth. This one, I know to be true. I was there. He is real. He
has a pile of incredible stuff on his plate each day - and yet he is tuned
in so well to the here and now that he 'sensed' something heavy on my heart.
He took time out of his life to
care, to share, and to seek God's blessing for my family in a simple
man-to-man, father-to-father, son-to-son, husband-to-husband,
Christian-to-Christian prayerful embrace. He's not what I had hoped he would
be. He is, in fact, so very, very much more.

If you decide to forward this story...please do not add to it. Let his
encounter stand as Bruce wrote it.



You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back.

DRW alum: That is one the best and most accurate things that I have read in a long time. Thanks for posting that.

AGREED !!

Thanks for the feedback. If only more people could see it that way !! I think the final statement in BOLD says it the best  :Clap.gif :Clap.gif

Your right. It's too bad that people only know what they see on TV. (sugar coated B.S.)