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Maybe I can drag Yamahondaman out of Palmghetto and us threewheeler guys can do a little damage some where.

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Nice shorts!   :o

Get it rag!

Look at the water bottles dividing the lanes LOL ;D Look how ghetto that is! Get it Rag!!!

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racing in hazlehurst this weekend

Do you guys have it setup for a little bit more practice before hand now? Can we get time slips during practice?

Come on up guys its going to be good.. ;D ;D there are some records that need to be broke.. ;)

WAYCROSS RACES THE FIRST SAT. OF EVERY MONTH & HAZELHURST RACES THE THIRD SAT. OF EVERY MONTH. THERE IS T-N-T THE FRIDAY NIGHT BEFORE THE RACE AT BOTH TRACKS.  THERE IS ALSO A TRACK IN RICHMOND HILL GA THAT RACES ON THE FOURTH SAT. OF THE MONTH.

WAYCROSS WILL BE RACEING AUGUST 5TH. 300 FT  DIRT DRAGS. STARTS AT 4P.M.

Do you have an adress for the track or some directions from the interstate or large state road?

Hazlehurst races Aug 19
we have test-n-tune before race. you get a test-n-tune card that gets you 3 passes test-n-tune is the hour before the race starts.
races start at 6:00 p.m. must be signed up in classes before you can test-n-tune

Carl do you guys have anymore index classes then the 4.6 and 6.0 now? The last time I was up there (Almost a year ago now) There wasnt really a place for my trike to fit in at...

YES WE NOW HAVE A 5.20 CLASS

WAYCROSS RUNS A OUTLAW , 4.20, 4.60, 5.0, 6.0, AND A E.T. CLASS

THE TRACK IN WAYCROSS IS LOCATED 8 MILES WEST OF WAYCROSS GA, OFF HWY-82/520 CORRIDOR-Z TAKE A LEFT OFF HWY-82 AT ROUSE'S GROCERY THEN FOLLOW SIGNS.

alex how much is yalls gate fee

GATE FEE IS $10.00

WAYCROSS IS RACING THIS WEEKEND!!! T-N-T FRIDAY FROM 7:00 P.M. UNTIL????? RACING STARTS SATURDAY AT 4:00 P.M.

when did ya'll go up?????????????????? I thought it was $7.00

GATE WENT UP 2 MONTHS AGO BECAUSE OF EVERY THING COSTING MORE TO RUN THE TRACK   :( :( :( :(

$10.00 is very fair. Its a nice facility. Hey Alex Im not in the sport no more. Sold my banshee and everything else to do with atv,s :o But still plan on coming up and hanging out from time to time. Still have to support Banshee Boy and Hot Rod  8)

dang papa, everything alright?  hit me on the radio sometime....

yeah Smoke everything is fine. Its just like having a swimming pool in the north pole, or owning a  boat and living in the mountains. :D just doesn't make since. sold the banshee a couple of weeks ago. I had fun for a couple of years. Time to do something else. No mo atv's to old for that shizit. :o See ya bro. I will hit ya up from time to time on the ole nextel..

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Now thats some funny sh!t Matt :P

What are you going to do for fun now, Papa. Once you are addicted to adrenaline you are hooked forever. Sky diving, bull riding, bungie jumping, pole dancing, camping with Quad 32 ??? Git it RAG.

I thought it was $10.00 at the big race I thought it was $7.00 last month. It's costing more to get to the track also ;D ;D ;D

WE'LL MISE YOU PAPA BUT I KNOW YOU WILL BE BACK

SORRY GUYS ABOUT THE LIGHTS WE ARE GOING TO ORDER THE PARTS MONDAY AND RACE SATURDAY 8/12/06 4:00 P.M.

Dang banshee boy, Quit taking the lights out!! ;D You cant blame Lupo this time. :) J/K 8)

 :o :o :o :o  well it's either him or me. at least it wasn't me this time :D :D

Yeah, I hear ya Mike. I dont think he did it either, I was just having some fun with you guys. :)

HE did get our lights one time.....We built them to last though....

You guys arent going to let me live the light deal down.well thats cool it wasnt my fault this time. ;D ;D Frank you know ya still my brother from a different mother.lolWE Got the bike running just waiting for a race.I hope all you guys will make IT back up real soon weve got to keep the sport going strong if everyone gets out then all the tracks will have to close and then what we gone do??   

drink more beer and fish......wait around for planet sand every april and spend a week in LA.  HOLLARRRRR

Asphalt! Tony, Asphalt!! :) :)

asphalt hurts more than sand does.....but a whole lot less dusty....

dont worry tony we will coming real soon and we will be coming with a vangance ;D

:R :R :R :R :R :R

 ya ya ya thats why you sold your sh*t frank :o

Oh really! Just bring it to Ga. and see if you got anything for us ;) ;) Just bring it big boy!! You guys still cant figure me out. And you never will 8) 8) You only know what I want you to know!!! :-X :-X

I am still wondering if you have gotten the filters back from Farmer yet !?!?!
And We will have something for you!!!! You also said that you and Toni were gonna put your heads together to come up with something new.
I dont think that I would be looking at Nates 18 mil yet, because he doesnt have the right pipes made for them, just the sled pipe, and we all know that those dont have the bottom end

you no we love ya franky  :-*   now pic up  your phone and call someone back ;)

No Sir! No 18mil, A well known builder on PS recently stated that the guys biulding the big motors, Do that to make up for there lack of abilities to fine tune the small motors. So why would we do that? That sounds like some one else. ;) Don this didn't concern you. But I should have known you put your 2cents in. Any webb site I go on its Troy and then the next post will be you. Always! I think its cute :) As for the filters, I told you when you got those carbs, They didn't come with filters. But if I got the others ones back you were welcome to them. That still stands. This isn't about making personal attacks on anyone. But if you guys want to take it there , Bring it! I dont give a phuck!!For a year and a half thats all we have heard from some people on here. Were going to bring it!! Blah,Blah, Blah!! It hasn't been done yet. Except for Banshee Boy and the Tribals. So why dont you guys wait till you have actually acomplished something before you start talking sh!t. Because in the end, You will still be sent home with your tails between your legs!! And Troy your the one that sold your slow azz sh!t twice cause you couldn't beat us. So if I were you, I'd go ahead and sell your new one now. Maybe build a triple, Na! That still wouldn't be enough :M :M

I dont think so!! But I will be In Ga. If ya got something you need to say to me!!

dang guys, in the end we are trying to accomplish the same thing, going fast....let's not lose any friendships over the trash talking...we all know papa and I have brought the trash talking to extremes and back, but we are still friends (I HOPE).  Sounds like we need to do a saltsdale drag race and get everyone together so we can clear everything up.  internet trash talking gets taken out of context and rubs people the wrong way.  everyone on here knows smoke loves to talk that trash, but by no means does he want to lose friends over it.  Papa, I have accomplished something, I made the best peotry of the year on this website.  Can I get a heck yeah for that?  And you did pretty darn good yourself...

Unless I am mistaken, I have not seen any personal attacks here!!
 And as for me following Troy with my posts, I dont see what your talking about. Troy is very rarely on P.S., but whatever.
Finally, Beleive me if you were directing the comment about" if someone has something to say, say it to your face". Believe me, If I have something to say I would say it to. I have not said anything personal to you or about you, I think you are reading into something.
As for the filters, yes you did say that when you got them back, I was welcome to them, because you didnt like the long filters anyway. And I said that I wouldnt buy the carbs if I couldnt get them

i have been to ga twice  spanked your ass on your bike evey time i raced you no jockey needed it took you at lest 4 times  to ga just to come close to my times now lets get personel you have never beatin me frank on any of your bikes  you are on your 5 motor  and two bikes  i am on my third and my second bike i have ownd that ass from the beginning way back in the saltsdale days say what you want be an ass i dont care you always get mad and start getting personel so  i will leave you with this   you have never won a race against me and you never will  now thats personel and a good old fashion calling out  :L 2:L :R :M :K :box.gif :ouch.gif :O :drive.gif :Fp

<~~~~SHAKING HIS HEAD......hey tony you run any asphalt this past weekend on the bumble bee?

Na Smoke we was supposed to races at Waresboro dirt track but they were having light problems so they posponded it till this sat night.And Friday night iam going to the aspahlt there having a et race thats going to pay 500.00 bucks.Iwon the last race they had last month maybe Iwill win this one... ;DAnd I got some new tricks I going to try  and see if it will run low 6.20s.    And it seems some of you guys need to get laid and relieve some pressure lol :X .YA guy no I still love yall like brothers and cant wait till yall come back up to ga.So get them bikes done and come on.. :Fp :Sp :Tp :T :groupies.gif :bow.gif :Clap.gif :box.gif :drink.gif :spit.gif :Dead.gif

What you proved is the fastest bike doesn't always win. :Clap.gif  But You Da Man Troy! :bow.gif I tell ya what we will do. 1st Saturday of Oct. Waresboro. Your bike with your rider, Against my bike with my rider. 3 races, Who ever wins the best of 3, The loser gets on there hands and knee's at the starting line in front of everyone to see and bows to the winner and pronounces them king. There ya go. Sounds like fun to me.  8) 8)   

Im getting some pop corn! Ill be right back..  ;)

Whoa, whoa, now wait a minute. I thought you were getting out of the four wheelers all together!?!, or was that just another story?????

sh*t at the rate iam going imight as well bow down now  :bow.gif but it all good franky ;D and tony you truely are the man :ThumbsUp.gif :Fp

I did sell my banshee Don. :o Thats the truth! But I cant let you guys have all the fun. ;)

Alright guys I admitt, I was being a little bit of an azzhole yesterday. I apollogize. Damn that was hard to say :) I was just trying to wake this boring azz webb site up. But I will shock and ah!! ya all come Oct. All bull sh!t aside.

I heard that....I am tired of starving myself man....I went from 175 lbs. back down to 155 lbs. to get ready to ride, and I am ready to start eating again....

hey tony, momma reminds me each week that now that we are married, she has all the good stuff and all the money....so i am going to the doctor to get a pressure relief valve put in....

Well now that the REAL Frank has spoken, must be you bought Seans rigid chassis, and are going all out now huh???

Toni Roni, we cant wait to get back up there either !!, we actually miss seeing all you Ga. boys, we always have a good time among good peaple !!!!
Good luck this weekend !!!! ;)

No Sir, I dont have Shawns Bro. I actually bought this one from a planetsand memeber back when my lonestar broke. I was going to put it together instead of the lonestar. But fixed the lonestar to do a comparison. But the lonestar was working so good I didnt want to tear it down. 

I see. Do you plan on going to P.S this year??, sounds like there will be a bunch of us making the trip , would be better to have ya there as well ;)

is that this weekend tony is it the et race or heads up, and when are the big boys out of fla. gonna get a hall pass to come back to GA. and play ;D ;D

Its not a matter of a hall pass for me !!!, I can go as I please. But we want both bikes to go. Mine is ready for the most part. We will be there SOON ;D

Yeah Badcompany I think this weekend is the race.friday night aspahlt. ;D

THE RACE ON ASPHALT IS 8/18/06 500.00 E.T. RACE  AND A TROPHY FOR THE HEADS UP RACE.  WE GO THE LIGHTS FIXED WAYCROSS WILL BE RACEING THIS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY 8/11/06 AND 8/12/06

HEY PAPA BE NICE TO THE KIDS!!!! YOU KNOW HOW IT IS WHEN KIDS JUST WANT TO BEAT PAPA (THE KING) JUST ONE TIME!!!!!! ;) ;) ;)

I hear ya Alex! I was just having some fun with them. Im sure there bikes are gonna run real good. We will get them up there to waresboro sooner or later. I guess you were right! when you said I would build another one.  ;D I wasn't gone for long, Huh  ;) See Ya later Bro. I hear Tony and Rodney bought them another banshee 8) 8)

Hey Hoosier Daddy!  ;D You still building wheelie bars? I need one. PM a price. Complete unit. Wheel base is 92" Thanks Bud!!

yep! loaned out my welder.... i guess ill have to go get it if i want it back!  >:(

you want them with those big azz heims?

which ever ones you usually use will be fine. Got to get some shut eye now. PM me with a price. I will check PM's when I get up this evening. Thanks Bro.

thats funny no one showed up for the 1/8 mile races here in south florida. its also funny some people never seemed to even post good job jeff with that 5.80 pass. maybe thats because some people on here thought i didnt know sh*t and i was all talk.  i dont need to talk sh*t because i have already proved myself. thats why you never see tony say anything because we all know his sh*t runs. thats funny about the "big motor" thing and the "small motor" thing. i have never seen a small motor win planet sand yet. you guys can have your small motors but when the big motors come whop on that a$$, dont good away crying. just go away

I heard that there was another "new" motor coming to whoop up some shiot!!, could it be from south Fl????? :deal.gif :drive.gif :bow.gif

now now children play nice ;D

I am being nice, Thats just what I heard  :-*

HEY 535 BRING THAT BIG MOTOR TO WAYCROSS AND LETS SEE WHAT SHE HAS!!!!!!!

dont worry that big motor will be coming to waycross real soon :o

when my new bike is done it will be the first place i go.

NOW THAT'S THE WAY TO TALK ;)

i have been really wanting to race there for a long time. i sold my bike and now i am putting a bigger one together. cant wait to see all you guys and do some good racing.

Hey Jeff get that new motor  together and come on up and show dees boys you are the shizznitt.lol  ;)  ;D ;D Are ya still moving up here to GA? If so you can come on up here runs some of those good numbers and the Ga boyz will show ya some love  ;D  :Hug.gif  :T :w :W :bow.gif :T

Thats great guys. Bring them big motors. There is a small motor on its way to Fla. that has beat'n the planetsand winner just recently. Didn't do it at planetsand because it didn't exist then. But it has all the big timers scratching there heads. Wonder who the lucky guy in Fla. is? ;) Oh! And the one it beat was a very impressive 18mil twister motor on nitrous. And lost with a 3.51 pass :o Oh yeah! I forgot, That little motor was only running alky and wasn't even on a drag chassis :o wonder how it will run on a Brian Armstrong chassis and NOS ;) 1St saturday of Oct. should be very interesting 8)

Oh and Jeff, Yes 5.80's is very impressive. The problem I have had in the past with some members on here is, They have made some very bold statements. Just like when you were bringing your bike to hazelhurst. Its like instead of getting on here and stating your bike was going to come a try to lay downs some good numbers and see if you couldn't get the track record, It was you were going to come and run 3.40's and blow up the track record. And that is pretty brash considering your bike had never run on dirt track before.  And no you were not the one that said it. But it was stated over and over. Im not going to mention the person or person's names, Its not important. Fact is that running good on asphalt does not mean a bike is going to run insane numbers on dirt. Totally different. And when I had my old 4mil, It ran pretty good on asphalt and dirt. But! you never heard me say I went 4.0's or I went 6.20's. It was always Banshee Boy went 4.0's or Banshee Boy went 6.20's on my bike. Because that was the fact. I never road it on asphalt. I road it at the dirt drags and went 4.20's which wasn't to shabby for a 200lb guy on a 4mil. When we put Lupo's motor on my lonestar and went to waresboro Banshee boy ran consistent 3.8's with a 3.83 best. which knowing what I know now prolly will run some 3.7's But with Lupo It ran consistent 4.1's Thats hauling azz for a 230lb man. Im Not trying to start anything with you guys. But when you get your bikes running and go to Ga. thinking your going to lay down 3.4's 3.5's or even 3.6's you will be greatly disappointed. Not saying they wont, But if its what you expect and it does't happen, You will leave there feeling like I did. I just knew my bike was going to go up there and beat the 3.83 that was run. Why shouldn't it? It was the same chassis, Same size motor, Same everything! But it didn't happen. And as far as the big motor vs little motor. If someone says here is a 4mil super cub for $3000.00 Or you can have this 18mil twister for $8000.00 and they both run 3.50's on drag frames, Which one am I going to buy?? Im might be just a dumb Fedex driver, But I know they run the same but there is a $5000.00 difference.  the 4mil is sure going to be less maintenance and a lot more reliable. Its a no brain'r Im taking the 4mil. Or should I say I took the 4mil ;) ;) Unless you are a lite weight like Tony, 110lbs I dont care what size motor you build you will be lucky if you see 3.9's. Jeff! What kinda times did your bike run with you on it? This wasnt posted to offend anyone or start ant sh!t. Its just my oppinion and thats all!! Have a nice day :) :)

Pappa, I am not so sure about the LESS maintanance with the 4 mill.
Yes it maybe a big  cost difference at first, but stop and look at it from a different stand point.
 the 4 mill is still a nicosil chamber, and we all know that that alone will break down, and or fail. The twister is a sleeved motor, which if a rod or piston were to go, you might have to bore it, verses a whole new top end.   So that makes a difference of 45 bucks per cylinder to bore, or 1400. for a new top end, and still have the nicosil problem lurking in the background !!
I also thought about the "super cub", but I dont think its gonna be as reliable as Nate says it will be, the bore is just to big for a 4 mill set up. the cylinder walls are really thin compared to the cub itself.
I do hope it works for ya,  especially now that you bought it.
As far as " someone" saying they were gonna take the track record, thats all part of racing. Nothing BRASH about it !!, If you couldnt say I am gonna take the record, then you pribably never will. Like I said thats all part of racing. ;)

All good points Don, Its just more cost effective for me to do the little motor. Im not saying it will, But how do you think it makes someone feel  when a little motor like a 4mil beats a big motor even on NOS? Thats gotta suck! Ya know what I mean? I would be pissed if it were me. Later Bro! :)

I totally understand the cost effective part !!!!, I still have a 4 mill as of right now,
 that may change.    catch ya all later ;)

far has a little motor beating on a big motor. the big motor might have not set up has good has the little motor. my money is on the big motor if both hook up and have good riders. i will bet you the big bike 60 foot times sucked because he was spining. and i will bet you that the 3.50 that 4mil ran will not happen very often. far has me and what i think is a good time on my bike at the dirt track is 3.70's. i say i went 5.80 because i tuned it and i did the setup. chris rode it but it was my setup getting him down the track. for instance the bike would not go straight and it would do low 6's. i dropped the wheelie bar on the ground and than 5's all day. so the rider in my mind is only has good has the tune, and the tune is only has good has the rider. chris's place is dirt racing not 1/8 mile and i will bet you we will do just has good in the dirt. also this little 4mill motor is running hard but can you really say all these motors will run just has hard "no". nate has alot of resouces that most people dont have. frame,tires,gears,air pressure and so on. look at jayson with the same motor as me and he could never run the same times as us. he changed the carbs,frame,pipes and still couldnt get out of the 6's. so my point is just because you buy a 4mill dont think it is going to run just has hard has nates 4mill. thats why i really had a hard time selling my bike because i dont know if my new one is going to run just has hard or harder. in my mind if you can sell a motor and build a big one far alittle bit more go far it. i had a 420 to 535 to 610 to ? you have to if you want to keep up. also the rules at planetsand has changed and no more little riders. if you are not 16 see ya. i think also the weight of the bike is coming, if so you better go big. the twister to me is the better way to go because of it being billet. a rod breaks in a cheetha motor you might as well say good bye to that cylinder. my new motor is billet cylinder,cases,clutch cover,stator cover everything. if something happens i will have a good chance to walk away will alittle repair. its worth it in my mind for the extra money.

About time we got this sight up and running again ;D ;D. All iam going to say is come and get it raggggsssss.  3.83 is the time to beat IN Waresboro;  And in Hazelhurst 350MOD CLASS I GOT THAT TRACK RECORD  and IN the 550 and down I got that record  And Matt Stone still has the 551 and up class  BUT WE COMING FOR IT REAL SOON.D ;D ;D ;D ;D So you guys just need to stay were yall at so A little brother can hold on to the fame just a little longer.. :box.gif :ouch.gif :bow.gif :Fp :deal.gif :deal.gif :drive.gif :bow.gif :Clap.gif :king.gif love ya guys haoollaar.

Jeff that motor ran consistent low 3.50's the whole day. It didn't just run (1) 3.50 pass. And Im not having Nate build me a motor like that one, Im buying that very motor complete. Turn key, And its going on a lighter chassis. And from what everyone says dirt tracks are faster than sand. And Nate has ask me to let his "NEW" Jockey ride it, And if we can get decent 60' times It could run those times in Ga. All we can do is try. P.S. If you break a rod while running down the track in any motor, Chance is you are going to hurt more than a cylinder. Cases, head, cylinders and so on. We broke a piston in my 4mil cub at Lakeland. Broke it pretty good to. It didn't hurt anything else. If I would have had a piston and rings could have put it back together right There and finished racing it.

i am not saying a rod cant break in a twister motor or a big motor, but the billet cylinder and cases wont get hurt like a cast set. as far as running 3,50's all day. i will believe it when i see it. i am saying just because it ran that in his set up, it might not in yours. you said the frame is lighter you are putting it in, that right there might make it run slower because of traction. i really hope you guys get that kind of times out of it but dont be upset if it doesnt. i really like my big motors and you like the small motors and that right there what makes the sport fun. there is nothing like cleaning house with a little one. just remember there is no replacment for displacment

we are coming Toni, not saying we are taking any records, but we will have FUN
at trying.
I have a " jockey" or two also, I have talked with him, and he knows who he is !!!
All I really hope for is not a track record ( although it would be nice) is NOT to chip my paint!!!!, there is alot of time work and money in it. But we will be running with ya`ll soon  ;D

i will be there soon as i can. the frame should be here form quick16 at the end of the month and the topend should be back from the porters next week. i should be ready in a few months. tony you better have your game on and you might want to lose some weight because we coming soon!

Toni on a diet, are you kidding me or what ??!?!!!! :o

I KNOW THATS FUNNY. ;D

i need a bounty hunter :(

uh oh :o :o no frame ??? ???

Jeff it seems like your braging about going 5.80's on asphlat. yes that's hauling a$$ but that took a 16 mil for you to do it. I'll bet I could get my little 10 mil real close if not hit those times and my motors alot smaller than yours! Like you said it's all in the tuning and setup, with that said you shouldn't need that monster motor to run those time . hell Tony is about to be in the 6.1's with a freaking 350 with some port work. that's impressive and unexpected. Running in the 5's with a monster motor is expected and than if you don't then you really look bad ???

Yeah Buddy! And I believe Tribal Banshee knows a thing or two about tuning. :) And I agree that his 10mil is a running mofo!! And the numbers are all over planetsand as far as the 3.50's Nate's 4mil ran. Ask the Barnguys how it runs. Jeff I have always noticed your little cheap shots at Nate McCoy,And the fact that you dont want to give the man credit. You even made a statement about Don's motor, Something like watch out Don! or it will cost you another $550.00. Whats your beef with Nate? Is it because he has run times with a small motor that you can only dream of running with your big twister? You will get your shot at Nate, If  you go to the next planetsand races. Mike you are right on, Banshee Boy will go 6.1's on his 350.

YOU BRING YOUR LILLTLE MOTOR DOWN HERE AND LETS SEE IT RUN A 5.80. YELL I BET YOU COULDNT EVEN GET INTO THE 6.50'S. TONYS RUNNING 6.20'S AND ITS A LONG WAYS AWAY FROM 5.80. THE BIKE RAN OUT OF GEAR AND WAS ON THE WAY TO RUNNING 5.60 OR 5.70'S. I SOLD IT BEFORE ALL THE TUNING WAS DONE TO SEE. ITS FUNNY WE HAVE A BIKE IN MIAMI THAT HAS A 1100CC MOTOR IN A 10,000 FRAME AND WAS RUNNING 5.77. A 610 RUNNING WITH HIM TO ME IS A BIG DEAL. I GUESS WHEN DAN HALL,K&T,ALL CALL ME AND WANT TO KNOW MY SETUP I THINK I DID REAL GOOD. HELL YOUR BOY NATE EVEN WANTED TO KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING TO GET THAT BIKE TO RUN THOSE NUMBERS. UNITL YOU KNOW YOUR HEAD FROM YOUR A$$ I WOULD JUST SHUT UP OR COME DOWN HERE AND LETS PUT YOUR MONEY WERE YOUR MOUTH IS.

I DONT LIKE A GUY THAT SELL SOMETHING TO SOMEONE AND THAN IT BREAKS AND WONT STAND BEHIND IT. IT WASNT DON PROBLEM THE CYLINDER WAS MESSED UP AND THEN CHARGE HIM 550.00 AFTER HE WAS TOLD IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. AFTER ALL THAT IT TOOK 6 MONTHS TO GET IT BACK. BE A REAL MAN AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND THAT WASNT RIGHT. YOU WOULD BE PISSED OFF TO IF IT WAS YOUR MOTOR

i think you guys should take this over to www.atvfloridaxetreme.com and that way you  guys can realy say how you feel :o

ANOTHER THING IS MY TWISTER WILL ALWAYS OUT RUN ANY 4MILL JUST BRING IT. I FORGOT WHO PORTED TONYS MOTOR? DANS MOTOR WILL OUT RUN ANY NATE MOTOR. I HAVE TALKED TO DAN MANY OF TIMES AND DALL TELLS ME NATE CALLS HIM OUT ALL THE TIME. WHEN DAN GETS THERE AND WHOPPS ON THAT A$$ NATE ALWAYS HAS A EXCUSE.

Thats ok Troy, I can say how I really feel right here. Jeff I dont know all the details of what went on with Troy's/ Don's cylinders. I know Nate has always stood behind his work with me. And Im sure Chris Ware feels the same way. Your not going to make everyone happy. And as far as you telling me to shut up. PHUCK you! You pencil neck PHUCKIN geek!! Lookin forward to seeing your azz in Ga.

FRANK I WAS NOT TALKING TO YOU

GO BACK AND LOOK AND YOU WILL SEE WHO I WAS TALKING TO. WHAT HAPPENED TO DON  ALSO WAS DONE TO ME A LONG TIME AGO. ITS NOT A GOOD FEELING AND I THINK NATE SHOULD HAVE MADE IT RIGHT. I HAVE TALKED TO NATE BEFORE FOR MANY HOURS AND HE SEENED TO BE A NICE GUY BUT THE MOTOR SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIXED FOR FREE BOTTOM LINE

And as far as the Nate McCoy vs Dan Hull Debate, Your not going to get me to go down that road. I have friends that have motors built by Dan Hull. And I respect my friends enough to stay away from that. There motors run very good. I have a Dan Hull 10 mil cub setting in my garage right now. But Thanks to you I wont run it. Im on a mission. To show your ain't never proved nothing on dirt azz you will get beat by a small motor.. Oh and Dan's now calling you for engine building and tuning tips, Thats some funny sh!t right there. ??? ??? ???

CALL HIM AND ASK HIM YOUR SELF. HE EVEN ASKED TO COME DOWN AND RACE WITH ME BECAUSE HE IS LOOKING TO GET HIS OWN BIKE RUNNING AGAIN FOR THE STREET. IF THAT 4MILL MOTOR IS MAKING SO MUCH POWER DO YOU REALLY THINK THOSE TIRES THEY RUN ON DIRT ARE GOING TO HOOK UP.

SKAT TRACK MAKES A TIRE THAT HAS PADDLES THAT ARE MADE FOR CLAY AND DIRT TRACKS. I THINK I AM GOING TO TRY THEM OUT MYSELF

I am very aware of the all terrians. I have a set of 14 paddle 73 roll outs setting here. ;D ;D Jeff I dont like all this bashing anymore than you do. But Im not going to sit here and let someone rip on Nate McCoy. He is the engine builder I choose to deal with. Not to mention we have developed a pretty good friendship. You have never seen me get on here and bash another engine builder. I wont do that. I agree with you. I think this childish bullcrap needs to stop right here. But I have never ever backed down from anyone and Im not going to start now. As far as Im concerned this subject is over. Now onto more important matters. I talked to My little Brother Banshee Boy earlier, Guys we dont have many places to race. Dirt track that is. If we dont start supporting these tracks we are going to have nowhere to race these things. I know Ga. seems like a long ways, But its all we have and if they shut down were done. I have heard that Carl is working real hard to improve hazelhurst. And waresboro, Charles and Alex have a super nice track. These are all good people and we should really get out there and support them. I will be up and running again soon. I have know clue what the bike is going to run, It really doesn't matter. As long as Im able to go race and Hang out with the guys and have fun I dont care what the bike does. But like Banshee Boy stated, Banshee Boy, Tribal Banshee and yes he is Back PAPA TRIBAL Have that record!! So come get some!! ;D ;D ;D Heck a few more months and we will have owned it for a year :P :P :P

Papa, I am not trying to rip on your builder, this is just how I feel about my situation
in particular.
I have also talked with Nate several times, and yes on the phone he seems really nice, I just am not happy with what happened with mine!!



On a different note, why wasnt Nate at P.S. last year ???
We hope to be all up and running soon, we will attend the tracks to help support them.
 Is the rumor true, that Carl is changing Hazelhurst to a paddle track, like planet sand is ????

I WILL BE AT THE TRACKS TO SUPPORT THE SPORT BUT NOT AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE. ITS ALITTLE FAR ME WAY DOWN HERE. THIS SPORT IS MY LIFE AND I WILL DO ANYTHING TO KEEP IT GOING. IF WE ALL CANT GET ALONG THE FUN ALL GOES OUT THE WINDOW. MAN SOME TIMES WE ALL SOUND LIKE BITCHS. BYE THE WAY DON YOUR MY LITTLE pregnant dog

Oh yeah, ???





                                            woof, woof, bark, bark

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GUYS I FORGOT THAT PLACE OFF OF HWY 27 SAID THEY WILL GIVE US 800+ FT OF SAND DRAG TRACK. MATTER OF FACT THE TRACK IS ALL READY THERE. WE ALL JUST NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND SHOW UP AND RACE. I THINK ITS CALLED CR MOTORSPORTS

ALMOST 1000 POST DON. CAN YOU SAY POST HORE

As for the deal between Nate and yourself I cant coment on that. But as for Nate Not making planetsand, I know his wife and him had just had a new baby, And I believe he also had pryor comitments. Guys you will never ever see Nate McCoy racing on sunday's The man is a Preacher first. That comes before motors and racing..  But He will be at the next event. And has stated the he will have multiple bikes with him. I know he is doing a new 18mil and a couple more cubs. And he is going to keep Banshee Boy very buzy at Planetsand. Whoops!! ;D ;D Sorry Tony 8) :o

Are you Troy?   Or the guy that bought Troy's motor.  Nate McCoy here.  If you are Troy, please give me a call.  It seems like there must be two Nate McCoy engine builders. LOL If this post is concerning Troy's old motor, the facts have been well misrepresented.  Or maybe if you're not Troy and the Facts just are not known to you.  And in that case Troy could confirm the truth.    Troy's motor had a problem with the case's height.  The bore diameter was suspect because of the symtoms before the motor was sent to us and inspected.  After inspection we did decide to hone the cylinder for additional "saftey margin" after almost a year of testing different motor setups.  But it was not the problem.  And we covered the cost of that as a good faith gesture. The case deck problem was cured by simply a thicker base gasket.  Then the charge for the motor was for new pistons, custom domes, some port mods, labor and shipping.  Of cource, we cannot warranty the work of whoever assembled the motor in the first place.  And I do not believe Troy expected that of us.   It sat completed for some time before payment was recieved.  Untill tonight, we had been confident that what we had been told by Troy;  all work was done in a satisfactory manor and according to our agreement.  To the best of my knowledge, the new owner of the motor only contacted us one time, and it was after the motor was repaired.  He called about shipping and payment details.  We also contacted the new owner on Planet Sand to see if was running the motor and was happy with it, and he expressed no dissatisfaction whatsoever on the 14th of July. 

And to mr 535banshee, I do not believe I have ever called you for any reason, especially not to get your speed secrets. LOL  Nor have we ever "called out" Mr. Dan Hull.  I do not know Dan well, but he seems nice enough, and I know his jockey Donny Diedo pretty well and like him pretty well.   I am not one to "Call out" anyone, but we do like to race.  And have no personal axes to grind here.   But I'll admit that I was kind of shocked to read all this stuff on your forum, as most might imagine.  Anyway, Thanks for considering the facts, and allowing me to address a few of these things.  If this is just a local thread where guys say anything to "stir up" your buddy to get attendance for the next race, forgive my intrusion...lol

WHOOPS!!! :o :o :o Welcome to our friendly little forum Nate, :)

thats all good but lets get some thing straett right now  the fack that i put the motor together per your specks and at the time did not know that the cases had been dacked  piston hight was at  0 deck when put together and the cases being dacked had nothing to do with the fact that the cylinders where bored wrong and thats why it was braking pistons  it had noting to do with who or how it was put together  that is a fact  so even i feel  that we should not have had to pay for new pistions or the domes  all thoug i do belive we should have had to pay labor and for more port work and shipping i did not have a problem with paying  i thought that the $550 is what you where charging for the port work and labor and shipping it back and thought that $550 was high but now i know we payed for pistions and new domes we got a great deal   thanks

Yeah, welcome to our friendly little site Nate.
First off, this is Don the owner of Troys old motor, and I have talked with you more than once.
 On the first conversation, you stated that the motor was indeed set( deck height) correctly, but the problem was the cylinders had a nicosil problem, which made them
too narrow at the bottom of the stroke, A horse power robbing sob as you put it.
Anyone who knows motors at all, will know that webbing breaking in the port windows on a piston is NOT due to a low deck height. If that were the case, the pistons would be breaking around the wrist pins, skirt areas, Not the webbing.
Second, Troy had tried to contact you for several months, during the time that you had the motor with only getting the answering ( voice mail) machine, with no return call from you. Now if infact that motor was sitting there completed, why wasnt Troy called, most peaple would need the space, and most of all want paid for the work.Why is it that you tell Troy 500.00, and then tell me 550.00 the next day?
Finally, I did not come across on planet sand , as being upset about it. Why would I, nothing can be done about it anyway, the only reason you were brought up here is due to all the Hype about you and your motors, I never bashed you in open forum, I only had conversations with certain friends of mine, Jeff included, and thats how you got brought into this discussion.You seem like a nice guy talking to you on the phone, but the cylinders were either bored wrong, or the nicosil was not applied correctly, which being some of the first cylinders made, in my opinion is understandable, but coming from you, CP industries is at fault, and should have made it right.

Oh yeah, Nate you have Troy`s numbers, and I am sure Frank still has mine. Feel frre to call either of us.

what specs did dan put your porting at is not asking specs.  as far has dan and you racing and being called out. that is what i heard from the horses mouth. if the cases where decked and a thicker base gasket was added why would he need different domes? if the cases where decked and the pistons were breaking, the pistons had to be hitting the head? if they were not why would the case hieght break pistons? calvin had told me one time to deck the cases to get my squish and porting timing right. that motor never broke pistons after that nor did it before

Hey Nate, as long as we are clearing the air a little here, why dont you let us all
 know if the 4 mil motor that Frank had (his first one)was a one of a kind Nate McCoy motor, or is it the same as what Troy`s old motor is ???



WHOOPS, did I really ????, Yeah I did, we want to know if it was a one of a kind just for Frank!!!!

I know you guys are in this story pretty deep to step back out.  But here's all I'll say untill I get some way to discuss this with Troy, and Don.  I explained why I needed to do all that I did.  I told the cost, explained what the cost would be after the problem was found.  This all was 6 months ago.  And Troy was the middle man, and it is easy, looking back on it, to see how that there could have been miscomunication.  And if someone doesn't see how the how a deck issue can break pistons on a pre-built top end, contact me and we can explain it.  The domes were damaged.  And the pistons were broken.   This is why we encourage anyone who buys a top end from us to send there bottom end so that we can check all of the final clearences to aviod problems such as this.  But most importantly, fact that there is even the slightest discontinment tells me that; if Don has called us more than once, it was one time too little.  He owes us another call.  One to tell us, "Hey I think something wasn't right with the deal on Troys old motor."  I do not have your #, nor Troy's either.  I did try to contact you all, before posting anything. I think common decency would have dictated that you give me the same courtesey.  Instead, we read this thread for as our first clue. :o  I'm at 530-476-2222, monday 8am California time.  I do not wish to debate the facts here.  I hope that the parties involved, that agreed to the work, would contact me.  Then, if you guys want to come on here and slam us, and our practices, that is their right.  :) I'll be back on here monday to see if you decided not to call, or give me a #.  Everyone have a great day. Nate McCoy.

Look, i dont want to get in the middle of anyones "wars" here
But....... i have had 2 mccoy motors a 4mm and 10mm. Nate has always stood behind his work and I feel has always gone the extra set to make sure everything was right.
He even called after my wife had her surgery just to see how she was doing? How many people do that?  Now everyone has a problem with a business sometime or another.. no one has a 100% track record. So sooner or later someone is going to have a problem.. thats just the life of a business.  I  spoke with Nate back when I was building my 4mm and asked him about Dan. He said noting negative what so ever... Nate is about the most humble person i know..

Chris W.

now now Jeffery, calm down that's not very nice to tell me to shut up :P  I just don't understand why you never try to get all you can get out of a setup. It seems like like you build a bike a tell everyone this is a bad a$$ bike, it rips the seat off when you launch but never race it then sell it and say you are building another but bigger and so on. It seems like you can never come to a race cause your always waiting to finish your bike up. out of the last 21/2 yrs we've known you you have been to 2 races one at saltsdale and the one in Ga that they didn't let you run. What Frank is trying to tell you is it's alot harder to run fast on dirt than on aspalt so get your monster motors and go Ga and try to break OUR PROVEN TRACK RECORD if you can but let me tell you that there has been monster motors that were set up and some of the best riders and still couldn't do it. another thing is you say the monster motors have way more power and will always outrun little motors, why is it that Tony outruns so many big motor bikes with his little 350? Oh that's right cause you say the big motors aren't hooking cause to much power. At the end of the day I think I would rather hook up and win vs say I've got a 18 mil with 160 hp but I can't get it to hook and loose. after all isn't that what your trying to do is win. It don't matter how much hp ya have if ya can't get it to the ground. Yeh it sounds good but who cares, especially if ya get beat by a real small motor bike 8)

You are right to an extent, deck height will cause a piston to break, around the wrist pin, or the skirt area. Not the webbing only in the port windows.
As far as the cost being explained, NO it was not, only after the work was done was the cost explained. Because in the beginning, It was explained that between you and CP industries it would be takenb care of. With the exception of the port update, shipping.
 It was a little longer than 6 months ago, heck I didnt even get the motor back until after 7 months, and I have had it back for two months now.
But thats not the point, I didnt bring this all up. I was letting by gones be by gones.
You still have yet to explain why Troy was told 500.00, then the next day you tell me 550.00.
 We are still waiting for an answer to the " one of a kind" motor that Frank had way back when. he says that you built him a motor that no one else had, truth, or fiction ??

Now, If the deck height was wrong, wouldnt the pistons be beat up at the top
 from hitting the domes ???, If it was infact decked wrong to cause piston breakage??
 We still have a set of pistons that came out of it, and the only thing broke is the webbing in the port window, NOTHING around the wrist pin or skirt.

 

i did not get on here and bash any one the fact is i have the first set of pistions right here that have less then 15 min run time on them there was damege to one of the domes and do the fact that the piston broke the center of the window out and then  went up in to the top of the pistions  befor it went out the pipe and coused that damage now you your self told me the motor was put together right pistion hight was at 0 deck and that there was no sing of the pistion hiting the domes you also told me that  you fond that the cylinder bore was wrong and tight in the middle of the cyilder coused by the nicacill  and  thats why it was braking you also told me that cp was going to fix it and pay for the pistions and domes    i  then ask you to update the port work the price  was not totaled at that time as you did not no the price for shipping and labor to put it back together  i am not the tipe of person to bash any one in a open forum  then you charged don  $550 and told me the day befor $500 we both thought that was high and we where not happy but if you tell some something and do something else that fine we will pay and not come back no need to bash some one you just lost orr bisness  that a nuff i will call you on monday to talk to you nate   but remember nether me or don started this

i raced my big bike over 30 passes at  the 1/8 mile lupo. just because i havnt raced with you means i never run my bike. i dont say you dont run your bike just because you dont run with me. i havnt seen a twin cylinder bike here in florida run a 5.80 yet. the guys from miami come over to the last race and told me that was the fastest bike they have seen running 1/8 mile. if you can run faster come down here and we will see and i will come to a dirt track and i will see. i know my bikes are fast lupo so i dont have anything to prove to you. you havnt run that fast so i think your the one that has to prove himself.

alright lets move on lets start talking about this new track at cr motorsports. lets all get together and see if we can get some good racing going on. i know 8 people right now that will go in a heart beat. the track is 800ft long so we need to figure out if we want a 300ft track and hope we stop or a 200ft track and have alot of shut down. frank,lupo,tony and everyone esle have really fast bikes now so we need to talk about shut down room and whats a good ideal to go with

I agree Jeff, I am thinking that a 200` track is probably gonna be the best bet,
 considering that not everyone will be on a rigid. The more shut down area the better.We need to keep it as safe as possible, so we dont get any bad publicity from someone getting hurt

how about we make it as long as we can without taking to much from the shut down area. its not going to be a track the whole country is going to be going to. so lets make it 250 or what ever it can be and still stop. does smoke still have the lights. if not i will check with the track about finding a set.

300 feet and 500 feet of  shutdown  i can stop    i think    sh*t thats right  i need a bike first    o well  i atlest i have a motor and a drag axle ill just strap my aZZ to the axle and hold the motor  you think it would work ;D

D@mn Cut if you do that I want to know where the kick starter is going to be and is smoke still going to be your jockey.J/J wheres this new trac at on 27 south of sebring?

Thats some funny shiot right there I dont care who you are :Clap.gif :drive.gif

it might work. just think the whole package would wieght less that way. that way you would have something on tony too. that frame has been shipped so you should have it next year

i think its south of sebring

just wondering if the team name is still @zz crack racing? that would make smoke a strap on, sure to get faster times then.j/j

Now Don, That wouldn't be very professional he started telling people what he has built for other  customers. Now would it? ??? ???

that would be funny seeing troy wearing a strap on with smoke riding him down the track.

shutdown area in hazlehurst is only 250-260 ft,  think there is plenty of shutdown for 300 ft track

Oh yeah, I had my 4mil running for a year with no issues. I ran the crap out of the motor. I went to saltsdale, Ga. Lakeland! shoot we even took to Ocala one weekend and run the p!ss out of it. Went to hernando a couple of times and ran the heck out of it. Never ever had any problems with it at all. Yes we blew it up at lakeland, But that was due to fact that it was just getting tire and maybe a little over reving :D But we were able to tune and try different things for a year. And when ever Nate would call and say, Hey you need to try this, I did it. I went through 3 different sets of pipes in 2 months. I did several squish test, Played with the timing over and over. He would say you need a drag axle! Got one. You need an override tranny, Got one. You need straight cut gears got them. ;D And that is something that know one ever knew. And Im mean know one. And that made a major difference. I mean dang man I was running stock gearing with a 4mil cub 300ft and still pulling at the end. Running 4.0's with Banshee Boy on it. Shoot the first time I ever went to Ga. with the bike I ran a 4.29 with my 200lb butt on it. And I will continue to except advise from Nate and run with it. My point is this, If everyone would spend alittle more time on there motors and set ups and not worry so much about beating some one else, Im sure end the end you would be very satisfied and happy with the results. I guess Im one to talk, Beings I sold my drag bike recently ;D But I know that Banshee Boy will get that thing dailed in. Just like he did my 4mil. But some of you have had what would have prolly been some kick butt motors, But never stayed with them long enough to find out. Im not saying this to start any crap just voicing my opinion. Look at Tony, He is a perfect example. He has been tuning and racing the same 350 for gosh, About 2 years. I have watched him go from 4.5's and 4.4's to 4.1's with the same motor And 6.5's on asphalt to 6.2's Why? Because he has keep the same one and tuned and tuned and tuned!! And Now he is prolly the fastest 350 on asphalt ANYWHERE!! Don, If you have that 4mil still Im sure its going to tote the mail. If you go out the first time and lay an egg, So what! doesn't mean it wont run like a mofo!! Cause Im real sure it will. Troy I may be out of line here, Im not sure whats up with your frame. Im assuming you haven't gotten your Ohton. If thats the case Im sorry to hear about that. The sad thing is you cant say sh!t about it on planetsand because he is planetsand. And anything negative is deleted right away!!! >:( >:(

That is true!!!, But some of the bigger bikes are at the  road also !!!
 So whats up with you all Ga. Boys??
We will get a track here in Fl. up and running soon( I hope) ;D

this is very true! i just talked to tony a few hours ago and he has a plan to make that motor run faster and trust me it will. i think the longer you work with it the faster it will get. thats why we all need to keep this sport going so we will have a track to try to make or bikes faster. i am working hard on this new track and will let everyone know when i find out more.

Just wear your old Famous Orange Shirt and we'll have smoke dog ride on your back and pull on your ears  :P
It'll be just like the old days

Hey 800ft of track is plenty of room for stopping . You can take a drag frame in Hazelhurst and run a 3.80 and still stop way before the road. a drg frame will stop twice as fast as a stock frame my 350 will slid almost all the way to the ditch but the drag frames will stop as soon as you hit the barkes.. Well IF YALL GET A TRACK up and running you know I will show up for the fun and bring some friends.Well I no some of you guys may have  had a problem with Nate but eveytime I have ever talked to him on the phone he seems like one of the nicest  builders I have every meet. Heek last week He sent me 19 tooth sprocket and didnt charge me a dime and he even paid the shipping. and hes always on planetsand on line so if you ever need any help hes there for the support. Cut and  Dyno Don I know you may have a bad taste in your mouth  maybe you guys can talk to Nate and get all this resolved so we all can stay friends with no hard ship.. And Jeff no dought  you sure got your bike running. Those times are some of the fastest ive seen on aspahlt there is only one bike other than yours Ive seen running those numbers And its Tim Mills 16mm  drag frame bike and you guys are haullin.. so just keep up the good work and when that new motor is togeather we no it will be faster..    ;D ;D ;D Hope no one takes this the wrongway.

well fanky we will soon see    it  has elegitly been shipped out and will be here by thursday  so we will see and hopefully it will be worth the wait   it really sucks it has taken so long  i will call nate tomorrow i am shure  there will be no hard feeling  after tomorrow  and  i am glad to see you all have a good  time at my expence  ;D :L 2:L :R :M

Troy , Ihave your new chassis!!!!!, Somehow it got shipped to me !!!!!
I think we can make the drag axle work too!!!!! ;)























Jeff made me do it!!!!!!

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Looks kinda like a Banshee with AIDS.

Nobody is laughing here Bro! Don, If thats Troy's. I quit! Cant compete with that ;D although I did notice the slicks. Looks like Jeff better be ready.  :)

i know the slicks and two stroke motor , i am out cant compete with that

WOW.  been doing honey do list all weekend and finally got a chance to come on here and read all the stuff.  crazy to say the least.  just curious how the phone conversations went.  any news would be good news.  troy as long as your chassis is here before october, you will be just fine.  GET R DUN.

if you strap the motor to the drag axle and ride it you might want to get a parachute, so you have some brakes....HOLLARRRR

you can tell that the grass isn't growing, lupo has finally come back and talked a little smack.

Hey jeff we still have the lights.  might have to knock the dust off of them and get them fixed from when tony ran them over, but that won't be a problem.  oh my bad, lupo ran them over too, we might have to address that problem too.

Well Troy,qhat did Nate have to say when you called him today ???? ???

hey don whats a qhat?motor is in the frame now.maybe this week we can make it run.

whats a "he don" :o

same thing a hey Jeff is.a QHAT.

yeh boy smoke it's so hot and dry around here everything is drying up, and yeh I was the last one to take the lights out :o I guess we're going to have to give english lessons on here now :D :o

O.K. all you little fingered fools, I have fat fingers and hit the WRONG key by accident!!!!

 Can anyone say HOOKED ON PHONICS???

hooked on phonics

hooked on chronic?

Iam hooked on panties droppin ;D :M :M :M :groupies.gif :groupies.gif :groupies.gif :hotty2.gif.. O I see blame me for the lights. the were in the dam way lol... :'( :X :banghead.gif :K :stoogies.gif

hey papa where is my money you promised me?

panty dropper, show stopper....

Hey Kirby, Im still trying to find some wore out cash. Let me figure something out. I gave you A New +8 chrome swinger, New rad billet carrier, excellent condition chrome durablue eliminator axle all good sprocket,brake, and wheel hubs, plus $600.00 dollars.So lets do the math. New swinger I paid $350.00 for. Rad billet carrier I paid $200.00 for. Dura blue axle was $329.00 So with the $600.00  thats $1.479.00 RIGHT!!! Now, From you  I got a scratched and scuffed up +8 roung housing swinger with some rust. I got a nicked up dented up, beat up round old as hell round housing bearing carrier. And a lonestar axle with bad wheel hubs, So bad that they wouldn't tightin up. So I had to put new ones. That Oh buy the way cost me $150.00  So now lets do the math on the stuff I got from you! Swing arm $300.00 tops Carrier in the shape it was in $100.00 Used lonestar drag with bad hubs $400.00 and thats being generous. As a matter of fact I remember when you won the ebay auction and it was under $700.00 for all of that stuff. So add the $150.00 I paid for new wheel hubs I had $1579.00 Minus the $800.00 thats $779.00 to the good for you. Oh yeah plus you sold my old stuff I think it was for around $350.00 So Now you made $1129.00 off me. And your asking me for $150.00 for a set of front LSR hubs!!! I think that makes us even for the junk rear hubs you sold me to began with!! Im sure most people on here would agree!! Its ok to make money, But I ask you ahead of time if everything I bought was good. It wasn't the rear hubs were so bad it made the bike unsafe to ride. Now If you want the old rear Lonestar hubs I had to replace you are welcome to them. But thats it!  If you want to argue about this on here or any other public forum, Thats fine with me. But you should take your $1129.00 profit you made off me and be happy with that!! SEE YA!!!

I need some popcorn.....

Got any Captain in ya !!!! :drink.gif

crown royal baby....

D@mn I guess he told you. and I dont have any captian but I do have a new bottle of CROWN! thats all we need just ask smoke.

I know thats BS, cuz I was at the batchelor party !!!!!!, He needs the redbull to go with
 it !! :o

ya because it gives you wings.

your not jokeing, bad night, bad night....i don't think we brought enough red bull, cause when i woke up the next day, all i could taste in my mouth was crown royal....that's after a few hours of rolling around in the grass.....

i needed more than wings that night.....

hey guys cr motorsports just called me today and we set up a meeting for sunday at 12:00. they said they are looking to expand there park and would really like to have the sand drag track. i talked with them for a while and told them what we needed and everything seemed to be there for us. they do have a grader for us to use. the people that own the park grade for a living so they said a smooth track would not be a problem. there are" port a johns" everywhere if you need them they said. the area set a side for the track is a old landing strip so room was not a problem. they said there is over a 1000ft if needed. they also said they advertise on the radio,tv and mags. i would like some feed back from you guys on here as to what you might want at this track. i need to let them know everything this weekend. smoke i really need those lights for right now. i guess we can use them until we can save some money for a good system. i hope you guys will support this because frank was right if we dont those big money bikes will be worth nothing soon

Yeah, I`ll say !!!!!
You wouldnt believe how fast a drunk can move, until the COLD water of a shower
Hits !!!! :drink.gif :spit.gif :T

Now you know that Troy and I will be willing to help all we can.
 Just let us know !!!! ;)

I will talk to the light man tomorrow and see what he say....I still don't have a bike to ride, but I will help out until I do....GET R DUN...

Jason, you know we will help a brotha out !!!!

thank you guys for being evey helpfull. if anyone else has some way of helping out please e-mail me. this track can be big if we all come together

evey, WHAT?????? ohh yeah, HOOKED ON PHONICS again !!!!
Still looking for ya !!, let me know what else ya need, Holla 8)

we need a kids class  ;)  and it needs to follow planetsand rules  8) and they should get with planet sand to make it up to there specs so it would be  a sancstion track  ;D    i no i no i cant spell just get over it and live with :box.gif :box.gif :ouch.gif :ouch.gif 2:L :R :M :M :M 

all i got to say is what ever you said you were going to pay me and that was the deal. when we traded you said it was cool you should have spoke up right then and said something. i guess i will take another hit on trying to help someone out

kirby smith

hey dude I dont know you nor do I care too,but if you have a issue with someone thats personal why dont you get off the computer and call him instead of airring all your dirty laundry on an open forum.I've met frank before one time and he didn't seam like the kind of guy to just rip someone off and all his stuff we saw was in tip top condition.all I'm saying is be a man and do your girly dealing in person or over the phone .we dont care about your problems.take it to jerry springer if you want to argue.we want to here about racin not bitchen.

Jodi, Kari, which ever one was posting.
 Yes maybe it should have been done in a pm, or over the phone!?!?
maybe Kirby doesnt have Franks number, or maybe he just doesnt answer the phone,
 heck I know we have tried to call frank with NO answer. But at any rate a deal is a deal.        Any discrepancies should have been done at the time.



Now back to the racing, Jeff has been working on getting us a new track here in Fl.
So lets try to help if need be to get it up and running ;)

hey don this is Jody I understand what your saying and it should have been taken care of right there,but theres no need for it to be on here about there personal problem.this is a race forum not a small claims court.but anyway carry on.just my 2cents

I personally enjoy the drama.....keep it coming....

jeff, PM me your phone number....i left it at work...or dyno can you PM it to me....I left the dang phone number at work....

Jeff, I am getting more info from P.S. on what requirements need to met
 for it to be a sanctioned track.

Ok, This is the last time I will post on this matter, I purchased these parts site unseen from Kirby. Paid him up front. Ask him before I paid if the parts were in good shape and was told yes. A friend of mine swapped out the parts. Im 300miles away. get to the track and the back wheels were wobbling all are over the axle. I had to purchase new hubs from midcal of all people for a $150.00. How could I contest the problem when I bought the parts site unseen and took the man for his word? He made over $1100.00 profit on me. Now wants another $150.00 for some front hubs. It aint going to happen. If I tell some one its good, Its good!! I have over a 100 feedbacks from flea bay and not one negative. And Don you have bought several things from me and have always been good. And Yes he does have my number, But he is trying to trash my rep. And Don, I drive at nite for Fedex and sleep all day. And you know that Bro! So if anyone calls me after 7:00pm and before 7:00am they usaully get a hold of me with no problem.. And Guys your right this is a racing forum, There for Im through. Just wasn't going to let someone make me look like the bad guy. Just step up and tell the truth!! Im DONE!!!

Yes, everything I have purchased from Frank was as he said !!!!
No-one said ( unless I missed it) that the parts were bought sight unseen, my bad!?!
But anyway, yes this is a racing thread so----------------

I take it with the name change, the Tribals are back ??? Mike going to get a ridgid now??

hey frank call me 1-478-230-0926 this has got out of hand. i am not trying to bash you.

kirby smith

not I. trying to get you up a list! ;) I'm out like a trout 8) but the tribals will never leave completely. May do something as a team together ??? ;D more fun that way 8)

need some help guys on classes and entry fees for each class

PLANET SAND DRAG RACING ASSOCIATION
OFFICIAL DISPLACEMENT CLASSES
kids class 100 cc and under  12years and under

1 Cylinder Class
------------------------------
1. 476cc and Up
2. 0-475cc

2 Cylinder Class
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1. 826cc and Up
2. 651cc-825cc
3. 566cc-650cc
4. 476cc-565cc
5. 401cc-475cc
6. 0-400cc

3 Cylinder Class
------------------------------
1. 1325cc and Up
2. 0-1324cc

4 Cylinder Class
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Open

I think you need to make classes like Ga tracks to many the way planetsand runs theirs and not enough bikes!

i would have to go with tribal on this one.

we have to have the turn out first. we need to put classes together at first that are easy and fair and that would want to get new racer in the sport. if you cant compete people will not come back

so are we going to tear em down if there is a protest?  you know there will be people there cheating, because heck there are people lieing all the time.  IMO.

smoke i was just thinking of that. i know alot of street racers that would be there and they will cheat at a drop of a hat. i think we would have to a tear down system so we keep it fair. i can also buy a tool that will tell me the stroke on the motor by going threw the spark plug hole.

well you need to have a fat boys class  min rider   220 #   :o

I would use a # 2 pencil....LMFAO....

stock cylinder 0-7 mm: $15.00
stock cylinders, no drag pipes, aftermarket cool head allowed, no triple port, no alky, no fuel additives.

stock cylinder 8-20 mm $15.00
stock cylinders, drag pipes allowed, no triple port, no nitrous.

aftermarket cylinders all strokes: $15.00
any cylinders, any stroke, no nitrous.  i see times that the 4 mills are running with the 18 mills, so why not put them all in the same class.  that should make everyone happy.

heavy hitters class: 15.00
rider must be over 200 lbs.  any cylinders, any stroke, no nitrous.

outlaw: $25.00
run what ya brung

a&b riders per class.
double elimination.
80% payback.
$100.00 protest, get caught cheating banned for 2 races.
no jockeys under 125 lbs, weigh in day of race.

that should be good for now. If it really takes off and you got a lot of bikes coming out and it gets really competitive then you'll probably have to tear down if protested but if you have a tool to test the stroke you'll know if it is stock or 4,10,16mil etc.... I think the cheating class will be probably the 350 class, having 4 mils and stuff like that but there's always gonna be someone trying to cheat. deffinately a heavy class for us big boys ;)

smoke i dont think any stroke with aftermarket cylinders is going to work. i can hear the bitching now. i like the stock cylinder stuff put we need some thing else for the other classes.

i am just thinking about some of the people here that have aftermarket cylinders but they are not done to the hills. i would like to make it as fair a possible. what do you guys think

office jockey class??? keyboard racer class??? guess how many friends smoke has class???  disrespectful little prick class???  I think I could enter all them classes and win....

lupo, you gonna get that motor back in a frame soon?  or you gonna just strap it to the drag axle and hang on like troy might have to do?

stock cylinder 0-7 mm: $15.00
stock cylinders, no drag pipes, aftermarket cool head allowed, no triple port, no alky, no fuel additives.

stock cylinder 8-20 mm $15.00
stock cylinders, drag pipes allowed, no triple port, no nitrous.

aftermarket cylinders 0-10 mm: $15.00
any cylinders, any stroke, no nitrous.  i see times that the 4 mills are running with the 18 mills, so why not put them all in the same class.  that should make everyone happy.

heavy hitters class: 15.00
rider must be over 200 lbs.  any cylinders, any stroke, no nitrous.

outlaw: $25.00
run what ya brung

a&b riders per class.
double elimination.
80% payback.
$100.00 protest, get caught cheating banned for 2 races.
no jockeys under 125 lbs, weigh in day of race.
 make all the aftermarket cylinders with stroke 11 mm and more go to the outlaw class...or maybe 8mm and bigger.

before the races start everyone will draw a # for bracket position, so no one can b i t c h about that.  if an a&b rider get paired up, one of them takes a lose, no questions asked.  run it down to 1 person in winner's bracket and 1 person in loser's bracket and run them for 1st and 2nd.  don't pay out anymore that 1st and 2nd place.  there will be lots of utilities quads there too, might want to consider a class for them....mud slingser class.....no limit, run what ya brung.....

what is a and b per class

for everyone that does not like smoke for whatever reason, i want to make it perfectly clear that I am not putting this race on, I will only be a spectator, so by no means should you feel that if you come and race you will be suppporting an event I am involved in.  I will solely be there to take anyone's money that enters in the class i enter in.

a & b riders....2 different riders on same bike.....

i am thinking one rider per bike per clas. it gets really confusing when you do that.

either way, also, NO BUY BACKS....if ya lose ya gone....or if you do buy backs, only allow buy backs in the 1st round....they are a book keeping nightmare most of the time....

I say make the same classes as Hazelhurst and its fair for everyone. Call Carl and get Info -1-912-379-1253  on all his classes. so when the Ga boyz come down and yall come up it we be the same classes.My 2 cents ;) Ithink seting the classes up by stroke and triple port and nontriple want work.Hell rdz s350 was no tripleport running 3.80s. But dosent mean every bike will run that.  STOCK CLASS 350, prostock350,350 MODIFED NO CHEETAH CUB HAS TO BE STOCK CYL,550and below outlaw this is were ALL THE cubs will run and smaller cheetahs. and then 551 and bigger out law. then for the fourstroke will be 5.20class et. then run a 4.60 et  and then you can run a 6.00class for the slower bikes..  just my  to cent and evryone should be happy. And almost forgot a heavy hitters class ;D.

                              Just make them get a different number and then if they are called up at the same time they will have to run for the fastest time.

I'm a flat track guy,not a drag guy, but I've been reading your thread and I have a suggestion that might help you guys simplify your racing. You should get a few of the key guys together from your group and start a league or association that covers your particular style of racing. It doesn't have to follow any national organization, just borrow some rules that apply to you, and add your own, and then your set. Chris and Dave Ware started one for us idiots who get a thrill out of turning left. I think it's going to help our sport grow, due to the simple fact that there are now some set rules to go by. I mean, alot of people don't want to race when the rules change from week to week, plus it should eliminate alot of bitching. We even have a points series with a few different tracks that will reward different riders at the end of the year. That could be something that could work for you guys to consider too. Anyway, that's my $.02.       

good point, but there are very few of us that actually like each other, so I don't see how we would form a league. j/k.  the participation has to be shown before anyone is going to take the initiative to do a league.  when i did saltsdale races, the rules were set before the actual race and we modified maybe slightly to improve the races from actual racer input. 

by the way tony, jeff is going to use the lighting system that we have for a few months to get the ball rolling, so everything would have to be heads up and no et classes.  good point tony, does waresboro have the same rules as hazelhurst?  we never had the sames classes at saltsdale, and everyone was set up pretty even.

Just my opinion here, I dont think that just giving or placing a bike by its stroke or crank size is going to work well either. Point in fact, Franks new motor is a super cub, running a 4 mil crank, but the bore size is something like74.5 or78.5, so a displacement should be considered. I know that could mean a possible tear down, and I am not to fond of that idea. But lets face it we ALL know that there are gonna be peaple wanting to cheat.

 Just my opinion ;)

the only way to eliminate cheaters is to penalize them....if we are going to look at pullin the head off of a bike, we can check bore and stroke, so make displacement classes.  if you get caught cheating, you and your bike can not race for 6 months.  $100.00 protest.  run the classes just like planet sand.  I am game.  I am just thinking out loud trying to throw some ideas out there.  if we run displacement classes, your only gonna have like 4 classes max, because everyone racing will fit in those classes.  only thing to consider is you really won't have a class for the stock bikes, but who wants to race a stock bike?  2 strokes and 4 strokes would run together. 

Thats what I was thinking Smoke, I do see what Tony was saying also , about running the same as Ga. , But I think Carl was talking at PS this lat season on changing to meet their classes and such, that way everyone is already running the same  no ,matter where you race.

Yep, 358cc-485cc, 486cc-550cc, and 551cc-as big as ya want  ;) ;)

so people want classes by cc's

i would say yes, get caught cheating, 6 months before the bike or you can race.....i hate cheaters...

only problem with displacement classes is that a 350 will have to race my 10 mil ??? without Tony riding the 350 not much of a chance :-[ just my 2 cents. what ever you do keep it very simple and fair for everyone so you will get good turn outs. people won't show up if they don't have a chance 8)

with this set up I would have to run my 350 against a 7mill (ain't scared) ;D but no thanks, and I know some guys that would have to run a 350 mod. in the outlaw or aftermarket cyl. class I don't think they would might be wrong just my .02      535 where can I get a that tool to check the stroke thru by taking out the plug.

i been looking at what all you guys said a nd i think tony might have have the best for right now. 350 stock class, 350 pro stock, 350 mod. then you might have to go with aftermarket cylinder class from one cc size to other. what do you think

if we go with something down these lines what rules are for each class.

match it up with GA rules, the only problem is there are too many variables to keep people from cheating....they have a page long list of rules for each class....

travis, i truely hate to do this to you, but until you come to TWO (2) consecutive FLORIDA races, you really don't need to put your $.02 in the rules....LMFAO.....dang that hurts doesn't it.....what comes around goes around....

Just ban banshees from racing. They make things too complicated :-*

Or shorten 'em back up and come flat track racing.  ;D

smoke go ahead and post them and lets see if we all think they are fair

post what? hazelhurst rules?

Bare with me.  this is gonna be the longest post. 

AGE LIMIT FOR CLASSES
 
AGES 4-13 CAN RIDE ANYTHING FROM 125CC AND BELOW
 
TO RIDE IN ALL OTHER CLASSES  YOU MUST BE 14 AND ABOVE. PARENT MUST BE PRESENT TO SIGN CONSENT FORM IF UNDER THE AGE OF 18. NO EXCEPTIONS.
 
TO RIDE IN OUTLAW YOU MUST HAVE A VALID DRIVERS LICENSE
 
IF TRACK OFFICIALS DOES NOT FEEL THAT A PERSON IS CAPABLE OF MAINTAINING CONTROL OF  HIS OR HER BIKE THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO RACE.
 
WHEN YOU COME TO SIGN UP IN A CLASS THE PERSON YOU ARE SIGNING UP MUST BE WITH YOU AT THE SIGN IN WINDOW. IF THEY ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 


PROTEST RULE
TO PROTEST A BIKE THESE RULES WILL APPLY.
 
1. YOU MUST BE RUNNING IN THE SAME CLASS
2. YOU MUST PAY $100.00
3. YOU MUST PROTEST BIKE TIME CLASS IS OVER
4. ONLY TRACK TECH MAN, THE OWNER OF BIKE,    THE PERSON PROTESTING AND THE TRACK OWNER WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE SHOP WHILE BIKE IS BEING TORE DOWN. NO EXCEPTION !
5. THE TRACK CAN TEAR DOWN TOP 3 PLACES AT ANY TIME.
   

STOCK  CLASS:
1. All Atv's must be stock appearing, front and rear fenders can be cut.
2. Overbore no larger than .080 over stock.
3. No port work or crankcase modifications.
4. No strokers, lightened cranks or long rod cranks.
5. Stock cylinder head, any modifications
6. Any reed cage, reed petals, or reed spacer allowed.
7. Stock carburetors & manifold any modification allowed.
8. TORS system can be removed.
9. Any type exhaust pipes allowed except drag pipes, CPI (in frame) ok.
10.  Any style air filter
11. Heavy duty clutch plates are allowed.
12. Ignition timing plates are allowed.
13. Stock ignition system only. Flywheel can be lightened.
14. Any sprocket or tire combination.
15. Any shock modification or shock allowed.
16. Any style swing arm, not more than 2" over stock length.
17. No aftermarket or lightened frame, only small unused brackets can be cut off
18. No wheelie bars allowed.
19. No aftermarket A arms allowed.
20. No air,electric, override or automatic shifter allowed.
21. Gasoline only: Must have .760 specific gravity or less, fuel will be checked with track hydro.
22. All Atv's are subject to tear down for non compliance of rules.
23. If you are protested and are found to be illegal, the entry fee will not be  reimburst
24. If you know that a bike is illegal please protest the bike before the class begins.
25. NO SLEEVED CYLINDERS
26. If you think that a bike is illegal after running the class, you must protest immediately after class.
27. At any time the track official has the right to tear down the top 3 places.

ProStock Rules
1. All atv's must be stock appearing, front and rear can be cut.
2. Overbore no larger than .080"
3. No strokers,lightened cranks, or long rod cranks.
4. Porting allowed.
5. Aftermarket cylinder heads allowed.
6. Any reed cage, reed petals, or reed cage spacer allowed.
7. Any carburetors & manifold modifications allowed.
8. TORS system can be removed
9. Any type exhaust pipes allowed except drag pipes.CPI (in frame ok)
10. Any style air filter.
11. Stock ignition system, can have aftermarket CDI box.
12. Flywheel can be lightened.
13. Ignition timing plates are allowed.
14. Any spocket combination.
15. Replacement axle carriers are allowed. NO exotic materials. *Exotic materials: Titanium, Magnesium, Carbon Fiber ETC.
16. Replacement sprocket holder, disc brake holders, etc. are allowed. No exotic materials.
17. No aluminum axles or swing arms.
18. Any shock modifications are allowed.
19. Any rim or tire combination.
20. Wheelie bars allowed.
21. Swing arms over 6 inches not allowed.
22. Any style aftermarket A arms are allowed. No exotic materials.
23. No air, electric, automatic or override transmissions allowed.
24. No aftermarket frames,small unused brackets can be cut.
25. Must have front and rear working brakes.
26. Gasoline only: must have .760 specific gravity, fuel will be checked with Track hydro.
27. All atv's are subject for tear down, for non compliance of rules.
28. Heavy duty clutch plates and springs allowed. No lockups or straight cut gears.
29. At any time the track officials can tear down top three places in class.


350 Mod Rules
1. HAS TO HAVE A STOCK ENGINE CRADDLE
2. HAS TO BE A TRUE 350/ no strokers 54mm stroke only
3. HAS TO HAVE OEM CYCLINDERS
4.CAN'T HAVE NO MORE THAN .080 OVER BORE
5. Naturally Asperiated Only 

OUTLAW CLASSES
-550cc class-
anything goes
 
551cc and up class-
anything goes
 
TO RACE IN OUTLAW CLASS YOU MUST HAVE A VALID DRIVERS LICENSES AND PARENTS CONSENT ON WAIVER IF UNDER THE AGE OF 18

SIGN UP RULES
1. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY B&C RIDERS ALLOWED. IF YOU WERE PLANNING ON RIDING AS A  B RIDER YOU WILL HAVE TO TAKE A DIFFERENT NUMBER.
 2. YOU CAN SIGN UP IN A CLASS MORE THAN ONE TIME, BUT YOU MUST BE ON A  DIFFERENT BIKE. YOU CAN NOT SIGN UP ON THE SAME BIKE TWICE.
 4. IF YOU SIGN UP ON MORE THAN ONE BIKE, WHILE YOU ARE RACING IF YOUR TWO NUMBERS FALL TO RACE AGAINST EACH OTHER, YOU MUST RUN FOR A TIME. ONE BIKE WILL TAKE A LOSS AND THE OTHER A WIN

There you go, if your still reading, your CRAZY....

Jeff, you can goto 341dirtdrags and look to see if you want to change any first

I did at saltsdale remeber, so I can speak right :)what about the tool to check stroke. smoke next time you come to GA. I will let you talk ;D

as long as you and ya boyz keep cooking that pig up, you can tell whatever you wanna tell me.....heck i might even send my wife home with ya so you can show her how to cook like that....thank god she doesn't read this....naw you know gotta keep ya in check....

i will get you part number and cost

those rules seem fair to me

thanks 535 . and smoke what about utility we gotta run outlaw  :) ;) ;)just messin with ya . when are ya'll making the trip????????????????????????

seem fair to me, all i am is a keyboard racer anyways.....until my daddy get's his chassis, i will only be a keyboard racer....

i don't know when i am coming back up....i guess whenever i can ride on someone's COAT TAILS.....let me ask my daddy when I he is going up and I will get back with you on it....

Ithink the rules are just right ,but we need something to check stroke ,bore I don't know. stock class is the one you will have to watch for porting let us know when, where and the rules and we willtry to make it. Also remeber that the 1st and 3rd sat. of evry month we run in Ga. now what about the polaris smoke where we gonna put it.

on the trailer...bad thing about this, is it will probably be the 1st weekend of every month....i think that is the only weekend this place is open....

we need to know about what weekend,smoke why on the trailer I figure we could run in the grizzly class (600-660) utilty we are only 430cc. what ya think????????don't do this :'( :'( :'(

race, then back to back pulls?i only do that, when i get in trouble...

Troy and Don, I thought everything was cleared up on the phone the other day.  You both said you would come over here and clear the air.   I can't find those posts though?  What alse do I need to do?  Is the PS post rehashing some of the details?  Please take me up on my offer to you Don.  And I will exchange the top end with a new one, help get you setup with the builder of your choice ASAP.  Thanks, Nate McCoy

                                                                                                                                                       frank i think you need to talk to tony on this matter and do a little rethinking    you seen the items just as he did on ebay and best i remember they was given to tony just as soon as they came in     wasnt the front hubs and tires another deal made after the 1st deal    if you felt you was done wrong why not ask for a refund or something at that point    instead of making another deal on other stuff and just not plaining on paying     just my opinion     frank i hope you and kirby can work this out  i think both of you are great guys    later andy

hey guys i was just reading some of ya'lls post about a track. Smoke said something about  only heads up for now. I don't have a timing system other than mine on the track but i had some finishline sensor that were pretty accurate. i will have to look and see if i can find all of it,but if you need them you can have them. you may already have some but your welcome to them if needed.

where is this track going to be?

Also on my rules we have changed the bore size in the 350 mod,prostock and the stock class. it is now .100 over instead of .080.

hey carl, thanks for the clarifications on your rules.  I have finish line sensors, but we are using a really really old plc to run the program and it will not display time.  We are looking at the possibility of using a different PLC by the time this track gets up and running.  sebring is about 2 hours south of salstdale.  pretty good ride for you guys.  We will keep you guys informed if anything does come together.  Might try to get Jeff to do a money added event to make it worth your while to come down.  I have heard rumors about the hazelhurst track surface being more acceptable to paddles.  Have you guys changed the track consistance where you can run paddles now? 

fune :Sp

sorry guys but i thought i was to meet with the owners last sunday but i was wrong. i will meet with the owners on sep.3rd. i will post the info on that same day. as of right now we will be talking about track layout and ways to bring money in for stuff like lights and all the other stuff we will need for the track. if anyone has time or sevices they would like to donate give me a call. troy and don you dont have to call me i already know that you both want be the cheerleaders. my wife is making your suits now, she had to go out for some more supplys. thats alot of area to cover. ;D smoke whats up with the lights? call me at 239-253-2616 if you would like to help in any way. has for the weekends we would run or not set in stone. they told me we would run once a month on the same weekend that they have big events. the dates for these events will very from month to month

jeff, lights are good to go....hope your wife has a lot of material cause them going to be some big cheerleading suits....

If there is any way i can help just let me know. I enjoy going out of town from time to time to another race. so keep us informed.

Smoke we tried something different on the track. It may have seemed that paddles would have worked but not trying to go that way, only trying to build something to maintain the track easyer and hopefully better. Give me alittle time still working to make it better.

WAYCROSS WILL BE RACING SEPT. 2  4:00P.M.  E.T. CLASS, OUTLAW , 4.0,4.20,4.60,5.0,6.0 CLASSES  INDEX CLASSES YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOMEONE CHEETTING  OR ALL OF THE :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ;) ;) ;) ;)

Alex, I sent you a PM!!

Alex We will be there for the fun cant wait so rain go away..I heard the hazelhurst crew might be there. Its sounds like its going to be fun maybe the track record willbe broke this month or can
me and the crew hold on to it just a little longer? ;D Iam getting these bike all tuned in so we will see..PS Troy did you get your frame yet. Ive talked to them guys about Dons frame they maybe fixing to buy it I will let you guys no . They have a plane and said we will fly down there and  pick it up. So come on and hook a brother up on a good deal. ;D Farnkie You talked to wifey about the kentucky trip next month  we are still planing on going. well HAOOLAR BACK  Has anyone seen Yamahonda Man tell  him I need to talk to him.. about some struts...

I have a rear one if ya interested..

hollar at him tony.  941-773-8815

Tony, mine is struted all the way around, and its already powder coated, all new bearings and tons of stuff from ole Ronnie on it too!!!new swinger +8 , new wheelie bar from Chris,Give me a hollar ;)

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My bad Don, I thought he was looking for some one else that wanted just a frame. I deleted my post. Did't mean to step on anyone toes. :)

Hey Don is the swingarm chrome and round housing?Pm me a price I need to no least you will take. Y ;Dou no homie hook up.lol.  THANKS SMOKE FOR THE NUMBER

HEY GUYS HOW YA BEEN IM AN OLD MEMBER FROM LIKE 2 YEARS AGO USED TO RACE AT SALTS DALE GOT OUT OF IT 4 A BIT BUT BUILDING ANOTHER BANSHEE SO IM SURE ILL BE AROUND I SAW YAMAHONDAMAN ON THE PICS HERE ID LIKE TO GET HOLD OF HIM HE BUILT MY STRUTS ON MY LAST RIDE SO IF ANYONE COULD BE ANY HELP THAT WOULD BE NICE ,,THANKS ;D

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thanks man i do apprecieate it so b4 the races were in umatilla where r they now

Soon to be @ CR motorsports, and Hard rock in Ocala, and Ga.