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I think it's time to send in more troops to Iraq.  Two U.S. soldiers found dead, tortured and decapitated.  Why would there only be 3 soldiers manning a check point your would think there would be at least 10 or so.  There can only be 2 reasons, we either don't have enough troops to get the job done or complete incompetence by their superiors.  I wish it was not either one but I'm afraid that we need more troops.

I'm a democrat but I was all for the U.S. going into Iraq.  However I think they should have gone in with at least 300,000 troops and kept a very high level until the situation was under control.  Evidently they bypassed 1000's of Saddams troops just to get to Baghdad as fast as possible.  Now those same troops are the heart and soul of the insurgency.   

You think we would have learned a lesson in Korea and Vietnam, by trying to keep the U.S. death toll down they are actually making it larger.  It's time for this great country to come to our senses and if we decide to go to war we need to commit 100% to the cause.  There is no country in the world that can beat us in a war if we are committed to winning at all cost.

It's time for this country to commit to this war and take our gloves off and get in the Iraqis faces.  We may get alittle dirty we may lose more troops but for our troops sake and the sake of our image around the world we need to kick some Iraqi ass.  We need to stay and finish the job so that the world will know that when we go to do something we get it done!   

What do you guys think?

i say we withdraw all the troops and send a few nukes over to them. or kill all of them and take their country and their oil. then gas prices would go down.

If it was only that easy I would agree.

I said that in the begining. We gave them 2 weeks to give up the weapons of mass destruction (mark my words, they are there somewhere) or we were coming in. 2 weeks was plenty of time to get the hell out of there if you didn't want to be killed. When the 2 weeks was up we should've wiped the country clean, We could've taken over their oil fileds and taken back control of our 7-eleven's.
Thats how I roll.  ;)

It's not all about dropping Nuk's and leaving.  That is totally sisy crap.  I cant beleive with all are Technology we are still getting nowhere.  Troops should not even be their.  They should be HOME.  Bush & Cheney want to stay in Iraq and want to have wars going on.  Why you ask?  Well Cheney owns all the companies that supplies that supply the ARMY like Food,Clothing,ect... And does he want to stop making $$$$ he*l no!  He wants to have troops their so that he can get like $1 Million a day.  Now were gunna BOMB Iran.  Now Iran has a w00ter load of Nuk's and he'l use them for sure.  But their all making them to target Isreal.  And the US loves Isreal you know.   Billions of dollars in loans and stuff.  Then alot of them run this country.  Nobody knows whats going on ::) 

By the way if anybody wants to comment go for it Brotha 8)

Where are all the Bush lovers? We got no bussiness in Iraq. Well, all the money hungry politicians do. They are involved with all the companies taking billions of our tax dollars for contracts there. The whole situation stinks. I don't know what the answer is but another 20 year old dieing in Iraq is not the answer. It is sad. I am sure the actual generals in the armed forces have the answer but they are only some stupid puppets for the Bush admin. to order around. Cheney is a joke. Some day the public will wake up and smell the coffee about it. Until then the body count climbs!  :'(

can you say??????? b52?????  all day all night. help them get to heaven!

I swear.. DO YOU REALIZE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THERE BEFORE WE GOT THERE?!?!?!  Hmm lets see, thousands of people were killed just because of thier religion. The country was ruled by hitler the 2nd, and guess what hitler had? Lots and lots of big bombs. There all in syria now but guess what, if he had had a bad morning and was really pissed he could have nuked us as fast as we could them. While were on the subject of large weapons, we cant just nuke the place cause for one there is a bunch of oil fields there that would be lost. We whine about gas prices then want to blow half of them up?!?! Anyway were in there now. WTF are we gonna do? Just get up and leave that country and tell the citizens there on their own. We are there country right now. Do you realize what would happen if we pulled out? First the city would go into chaos in a few days because they dont really have any kind of a police department and then some terrorist faction would be walking in as the last troop went out the exit. Then where would we be? RIGHT BACK TO SQUARE ONE. And this super duper plan of just walking in and taking the oil fields will roll over REAL well with the rest of the frekin world. Yeah guess what china we control all the oil fields in Iraq so if you want some oil you better ask us. Wait a minute then everyone is going to start to bi**h cause the politicians are making money. Oh no we wouldn't want them to make some money. Mind as well adress the president while were at it. Did it ever occur to you that we might be in there just because we need to be? Mabye we needed to get nukes away from a crazy die hard america hater? OH BUT NO its all about the money. Do you hear yourselfes talk. I will stand behind our president and our troops 100%. There in there everyday putting their lives on the line just so you can dis-respect them. Thats a bunch of crap. So you guys need to either get behind our president and our troops or shut the **** up!

Do you eve know what your talking about ::)   I can't beleive you actaully believe what the Media says.

I Agree with you 110% ;)

Anyone that says we need to send more troops to die is not thinking properly. We got enough people jumping our own borders everyday to consider it an invasion, bring the troops home and lock down the borders. Sending more of Americas youth to fight for a hidden agenda is not the course of action I would like to see.

you know I see more and more talk of the body count, what are we at now maybe 3000.00.
This may sound rude (i hope not) but that is NOTHING compared to the past wars. So I think all this technology is really making a difference.

I agree. As far as the next post about you agreeing with the media shows how much they know about whats going on. The media is more anti war than anyone. I also stand by the president, he has big balls to stay focused despite all the pressure from the weak spineless libs that think you can be nice to the worlds mad men and they will be nice to you.

hey yall did yall hear saddam hussanes lawyer has been abducted and killed!!!!!

also check this out.http://www1.wsvn.com/news/articles/world/MI23034/

Southern, Thats lawyer. I knew what you meant. I think we should stay the course and deliver this country to the new government. We can not cut and run. 

thanks also check out the link i juts put in it,im still just waking up :Dead.gif

I back our troops whereever they are put. Don't get me wrong. It is not there fault. But the US cannot be the world's police. If Iraq was that dangerous before how come no other countries around there took action? Too scared? Doubt it.  Also gas prices were more stable and cheaper before we went in there and made that cluster f.

Once we get that country under control then the gas prices are going to go down. Right now we barter with these countries for gas and they can charge us anything they want knowing that we are going to have to buy loads of it. Being on good terms with hopefully a democratic Iraq, we will be able to set a flat rate for oil and they will go down. Alba, I dont belive everything the media says. They are more anit-war than anybody around. But I listen to the talk radio stations. 690wokv. The big three, Neil Bortz, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hanity. Allot of people hate them but they are all great guys that know what their talking about and actually support the war unlike the rest of the media. The bottom line is that you guttless sissy liberals can protest and tell the president where troops should and shouldnt be but guess what? There not going anywhere right now. So you mind as well show a little support for the soliders that put their life on the line every day just so you guys can bi*ch about them.

Mega Dittos to you Madmudder.

good call madmudder!!!!

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Iraq, prewar, supplied like less than 5% of our oil. That is a fact. There oil production or lack there of, does not really have much of an effect on the price. The instability in that whole region is what is causing the fluctation in the oil prices.
 
Rush Limbaugh is a convicted drug addict!

Those are all conservative radio shows. You probably watch Fox News also. Come on.

I don't want to start a republican democrat thing here. I could careless about that. The real issue is our young service men dying everyday for no apparent reason! If Iraq was left alone, with Hussein, it would still be contained, and we could apply
our armed forces elsewhere. They are stuck in a war that has not been thought out, and we cannot leave now, I agree with that. The current administration has no strategy and no clear goals or a exit plan for Iraq.  You have been brainwashed or I mean Bushwashed! You keep believing what Mr. Bush and Rush are feeding you. One day you will see the light.       

Wow! with a release that big, i bet you will sleep for hours now!  ;D

Personaly, i like glen beck.

Here here Wilburz!

Thanks man you got that right. 

MadMudder do you think 5% will lower gas prices??  If you do yuor smoking something.  Most of our oil comes from is South America,Canada,Mexico................isn't a barrel of oil is like $70.  5% will only brin it down by $3.50 ;)         

Rush popped a few pain pills and Bush was known for enjoying a drink. Sounds like couple of fun guys to me :T . If todays libs were in control in the 40s we would all be speaking Japanese.
 

I don't know if you can equate the poor folks as being majority liberals, I think you can. But it seems to me that a majority of the service men who were drafted were poor white kids and blacks. AKA "liberals".  I am sure the poor liberals outnumbered the others atleast 2 to 1. I would then extrapolate the idea that without the poor liberals that were drafted then the outcome of previous wars could have been different.

Ok Ill admit that I didn't know that Iraq only supplied like 5% of our oil. But it has the potential to be one of the leading oil suppliers with our help. Sadam was too preoucupied with slaughtering his own people to realize that he could have been making millions of dollars. Once Iraq gets their ducks in line then mabye they will start to supply more than 5% of our oil. But if we just get up and leave then they will never have that opportunity. Anyway, im sick of posting on this topic. People that support the war support it and those who dont support it dont. Dont get me wrong, I dont support war. War is a horrible thing, but sometimes its nessesary to take that kind of action. (Read Sadam) Liberals think that we can just hold up a piece of paper and say peace and it will make everything all better. If the president woke up one day and invaded Russia or China or some place like that, yeah id have a big problem with it. But I dont have a problem with this war. Those people needed us and we needed to get him out of there and those weapons that are sitting in syria out of his hands and untill our boys are back home we need let them know we care and support them.

You seem to be slip-flopping alot here MM. You cannot support the Iraq war and then in the same sentence say you would not support a war with China. If there was a draft and I was of age I would go eagerly to a war that encroached upon my countries rights or my rights. The war in Iraq does not matter to many people. Just the bigwigs up in Washington. No one else in the world give 2 farts about Iraq or its people. I don't like to see a countries people be brutalized but why not go and try to stop the famine in Sudan while  we are at it? Lots more dying over there. Bush won't do that , there is nothing for him to gain doing that.  I am tired now too. wait until later and everyone gets on the site. SHould heat up a little bit then.

What I meant by the China thing is that I would not support a war with no cause. I would always support the troops themselves but not the war. The current war had many reasons. Now if China or Russia did something stuipid like bomb us or something then that would be reason for war. Thats what I ment.

Face it guys we are in Iraq now and there is nothing we can do about it.  We have to finish what we started wether it was the right thing or not, we just can't cut and run.  If we give a date for departure now the insurgents or terrorist if you will will just wait us out.  

In hind sight it was probably not the best thing to do to go into Iraq, but if things worked out and a democracy flourished we would not be having this conversation.  I think any time you deal with the Middle East you better be prepared for the s@#t to hit the fan.  

The more you hear about these people in the Middle East the more I think they are totally ignorant.  They will flip sides in heartbeat if the other side has the upper hand and then flip back again later.  I mean these idiots are still pissed off about things that happened 100's of years ago.  I wish we didn't have to deal with the Middle East but as long as we are dependent on foriegn oil we will be in this position.

Your wrong, we would be speaking German :T

Mabye both :D.  Anyway fish is right. If we run away right now then those men that have already died will have died for no reason. But I do have one ?. What did you mean by If things workED out? They are in the process. Thats the whole reason were over there. There workING out. Slowly but you guys have to realize what a s**t hole that place was. You cant exaticly make britanica out of sewage overnight! Anyway thats all i got now.