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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

A member from another site posted this.It is long approx 1hr 20 min but well worth the info you get from it.It opened my eyes.I listened to most of it while playing pc ...Could you imagine if it is or were true?

im a third way through it, some of it sounds convincing, yet i wonder if some of this stuff the guy that put this video together said is realy true...
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Here's the other one, only about 5 minutes long. I saw this one first by some other guys.


http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

i dont no weather or not to beliuve some of that stuff, it never clearly stated exactly why someone would do this, so im not sure i belive ALL of that

If you honestly pay attention and think about what has been stated in the video, it is a life and mind altering experience, a cover up to do exactly what the video said, gain control over america. The facts are there and it is true that why would the government be so affraid to release the documents and speak about this, and the people they were questioning that talked about the explosions, It does look like a controlled demolition..... all the people who stated that the buildings would not have collapsed from a plan and then came back 10 days later and compleatly changed their side. This video is mindboggling and an experience that really makes you think.....

I think the guy is a d-bag and just puts it on the internet so teenage kids can watch it, and of course believe it, since everything you see on the net is true. Then they later turn into d-bags themeselves and move to canada. Cuz there hardcore.

I honestly think if you believe this you have problems. What happened that day was a life changing event for all of America. When I went to Ground Zero last month I was just in shock and couldn't believe it. It brought tears to my eyes looking at it and the church across the street that has the little museum setup inside. What happened that day was the fault of terroists trying to ruin our country and apparently they have won since people believe this video. Everyone believes these conspiracy theroists but won't believe their own government. No wonder this country is going downhill. If people would stand behind our leader if they like him or not and stand behind our troops we would be a lot better off.

As much as I would hate to believe it & stand behind this country & our prez in my 40 years I have seen some ugly things done when it comes for the sake of the $$$$$.All I am saying is some points seriously arrouse suspicion in my mind.Especially the deal about the size of the hole in the pentagon & some of the flashes & shockwaves coming out of the towers to name a few.

I was a crewman in the NAVY in 83-88 and on 2 instances our crews clearence went to classified in re: to a mission.Why I have no idea however when I think bcack to where we were it now makes me wonder.

I hate politics but if you have heard the terms crooked politician,coverup etc..Even some of the younger kids have heard this already.And Clinton??? Who the heck would ever lie about getting a piecs of ASH?? Ugly or not..LOL..

Just something to think about! ???

I do not despise the covernment nor do I compleatly believe in that video, but as bushwaker stated, there is an erie suspision there and questions need to be answered...

You don't question this guy but you want the government to answer questions. Thats BS! If anyone should answer questions this guy should. Thousands of families lost their loved ones because of these TERRORIST acts and people actually have the balls to put out a video like this and people believe it?

I understand what you are saying and I understand that it was a complete and utter disaster and tragedy, and I appoligize if I said anything wrong, or that offended you...

Luca

What people need to understand is with just a little evidence ,you can put a conspiracy on anything. I meen if you gave it enought time, some could come up with a conspiracy like "All members of atvflorida.com are aliens and are setting a plot to take over the world".

True. but dude, if you mention that again you might blow our cover before we take over.

Proof is in the video of the object hitting the pentagon. Thats no 757, 80 ton plane, are you blind come on.  ???

Lets not hate each other its just a discussion.

Does anyone remember watergate?Kennedy assasination.Supporting Iran,sending money to arm cubans....All goes back to big money and big money interests!

I am sure nobody here discounts the tragic loss of all those families the hurt all their relatives friends and the Nation as a whole went through.

These are all good questions and this is a great topic to debate.If you sincerely watched the entire broadcast there are alot of actual interviews & accounts that went unanswered.Not just the theories the producer introduced???????

Question if all that jet fuel actually melted the twin towers than how did gold bars not melt? Thats just a quick point/question.All of the interviews w/firefighters that heard multiple explosions prior to collapse on the lower floors,these firefighters are experts in my opinion???? :o

I believe ya boss. Some people just won't believe no matter how much proof you got.

You guys and your internets conspiracies and your urban legends  :tsktsk.gif.  Have you ever heard the phrase "The weak minded are easily enfluenced"?

You mean the ones that believe everything the gov. says! :K

I did not watch the video brought up in this thread but I did watch a special on this topic recently.  I don't remember what network it was on but I think it was the history channel or discovery channel.  They went over point to point about these conspiracies and disproved them all.

Do you actually believe that there is a govt coverup that would have to involve thousands of people?  Come on man, you know people have big mouths and someone would have spilled the beans by now.   I can't stand alot of the things George Bush stands for and not even I would think that he knew before hand of the upcoming tragedy of 9-11.

Maybe people want to believe in these conspiracies because they are afraid to think that we are actually under attack and in the begining phases of a long drawn out war with Islam.  It's alot easier  on your soul to think the govt had something to do with it instead of a very dangerous enemy.  Unfortunatly this war has been building for years and the first major volley was fired on 9-11 so you might as well accept it.

You guys are probably some of the same people that complain about the illegal aliens and the fact that some people wanted to take the word God out of the Pledge of Allegiance.  On these post all you would say is how great this country is and if you don't love it leave it.  Is this the same country that you now accuse its govt of  a coverup and a giant conspiracy? 

Come on now, we can't believe everything we read on the internet.  There is a whole group of people that sit back and make up this crap and watch it spread.  These same people most likely profit in some way if nothing else they get thier thrills by watching these ingorant rants flow around the country. 

These conspiracies and urban legends are some of the worst things the internet has created.  How many times have we seen it right here on this forum?  Someone gets an Email from a friend that states blah blah blah.  This person takes it as the truth and passes it on to his friends and so on.  We have to start using our heads a little and think about this before we believe everything we read. 

If you did not watch THIS video than it would not be fair to comment????

I saw Bush , planting explosives under the levy in Louisiana , I sure would like to get my hands on his Hurricane Machine.... :D

MAYBY THIS IS A X FILE??
 
  WHAT DID MULDER SAY??? OR SCULLY?

Just what it says, CONSPIRACY.  Not saying its right or wrong but people will always have a conspiracy on everything the government does. Its usually someone thats trying to get a story out and sell a book or movie so they will be rich also.

So you have see the Hurricane Machine?..LOL ::)

I am currently working on a rain machine & were testing it for the next 3 days.If it works were going to flood the middle east ;)

I dont know about the video or the conspiracy other than hearsay. Think about this, if those massively tall buildings actually FELL over it would be a domino effect in the largest city in the world. I was thinking more on the level, that their is a detonation device in every skyscraper, not just the Twin Towers. If the tower leans or comes in danger of falling over, then the thing is imploded to save the city and thousands more people. I know this sounds silly, but think about it.  I It is an engineering or architectural destruction preventative device. Nobody could know about this device, because who the heck would work in a building like that & where would you house all the people in that city if not for tall buildings. Just another tought to think about. Oh yeah, did the govt hire actors to get on the planes and act like terrorists, because they deserve an academy award if so.

If your making reference to the calls that the people made talking about the terrorists when they were on the plane, they were fake, there is no doubt about that.

  ???Actually I was talking about the guys who took over the plane & spoke unknowingly on open air in arabic. I guess you mean that Todd Beamer was a fictitious character & the immortal words "Lets Roll" are just a ploy to make money for that woman who said she was his wife & the kids are just acting like his kids? ::) It happened, they did it & we are kicking their azzes for it. We will get Usama, just wait until election time!!!!! ;)

He is hiding in the mountains of Pakistan & Pakistan wont let us in to openly hunt the bass-turd.

Just gets back t o points of US supporting,Iran,Cuba,Contras and hell even bin dikhead! If you dont believe it was remotely possible than you havent watched the video!

If I got to pay $ 3 a gallon for fuel,$687 a month for healthcare $6800 year taxes,$2200 a year insurance which my agent told me will double this July renewal.Than WTF are our men fighting for? I have to work 10 times harder to afford a comfortable lifestyle & those that have millions make billions more on insider tips of stack market ! Martha Stewart was just caught as well as ENnron.How many BILLIONS of dollars were gotten away with? It definatley dont HELP me or the USA! Thats for darn sure.

The term crooked politician is there for a reason!All there buddies have there hand in the till too!You read about this stuff monthly from local city all the way up to Big Business US government.I would HATE to rthink it were possible & Dont want to believs it but facts are facts....When there is big money to be made people get hurt & die! :o

Bushwacker, why don't you do us a favor and give us a brief synopsis of the video, what were the main points? 

This basically covers the whole of events on 911 it would be lengthy to summarize.Watch the video I am not cheerleading it but if its worth the time to post on the subject it would be well worth the time to watch even FF through some of it.It gives real time news footage,interviews with firefighters,refutes theories that a airliner could bring down a building,let alone leaving billion dollars in gold in basement when all else was incenerated.IE: how could the gold survive when steel rated @ a higher burn point melted? IE: passports from terrorist found and nothing else? IE: some of the so called dead terrorists still alive & well in different countries?Major shorting & puts bought in stock market forboeing,a week prior to events.US congress,sec state,etc warned not to fly on particular dates,almost all of this is backed up by news stories,e-mail,memo,public info,911 tapes etc...

Drivel all drivel.  I don't understand how anyone could believe that drivel.  No I did not watch all of the video because I was about to vomit due do its lies and half truths.  To believe anything this video said would be amazing, it would take a secret plan that would have to include thousands of people.  Hospital in middle east treating OBL, secret plans for attacks by planes to the WTC and so on? 

I can't even begin to disprove all the points that I saw, but I know who could.  Every major city in every state of this country has a newspaper (at least 2 and often more) and they also have at least 3-4 television stations.  All these newspapers and televison stations have investigative reporters.  I don't know but lets just say there is 1000 of these reporters.  These men and women look for the biggest stories possible.  For just uncovering this massive conspiracy these reporters would be deluged with 6 figure job opportunities.  Yet I have not seen 1 legitamate report of conspiracy.  As a matter of fact I have seen a special that disproved any conspiracy.  Although I don't remember who put this special out, it was from a major network.

We do know 2 planes hit the WTC, and for you people who say it was a controlled demolition give me a break.  If you watch a controlled demo most of the time they blow from the bottom up.  In the case of the WTC your saying it blew from the top down.  Maybe it's possible that the jet fuel burned so hot that it weakend the steel column holding the building up and the weight of (I'm not sure of the exact #) 30 or so floors crashing down caused the building to drop strait down.  Why is this so hard to believe.  As far as the gold in the basement not buring because of this jet fuel, well lets look at that.  There was over 70 stories of debris on top of this basement yes maybe there were some flames but nothing like the point of impact.

If I truly believed there was a conspiracy as you speak it would have to involve thousands of people in the govt alone.  Maybe these people forced all the newspapers and tv stations not to report on conspiracy, so there are now a thousand more people that know of this conspiracy.  All these people in the know and no one talks come on!  If a govt as evil as you suggest controlled this country why would you stick around?  All these 1000's of people that know of conspiracy and yet there is no large exodus from this country.  It's just the opposite, 1000's of people everyday cross into this country illegaly just to be here. 


If you already have your mind made up nothing will change it but this conspiracy theory is total bull, stay off these wacko sites that are filling your mind with this garbage and you would be better off.  I will stick with my original thought "The weak minded are easily influenced".

Just a few random thoughts of mine... No one ever knows the truth to anything. No matter what the topic is, all the American people will hear is what the government wants us to hear. This is also true for local things like our sport. How many times to we turn on the news to hear bad articals about ATVs? Is all that bad news the only truth?? We all know it's not. And I'm sure this is true for everything. As bad as it sounds, you can basically only trust yourself and your family... and half the time even they are questionable. What makes anyone think they can trust someone they've never even met? Big money can make even the humblest person do wrong things.

The reason you don't see anything in the news paper or on the t.v. news is because they are all own by jewish business owners influence by the Israeli Gov. Thats the whole reason why were in Iraq, fighting Israel's  war for them and next is Iran. Its not really about oil, Its about religion. Another note to remember Israel contributes more money to each politcal parties than big oil, pharmaceutical and insurance companies combined. Bet you didn't know that did ya.

I agree with everything  SomBch said.  Alot of mistakes were made by this and previous administrations.  Could we have avoided 9-11, who knows.  But if you remember we went into Afghanistan 1st.  The  Taliban were harboring OBL and they had to go first.

I believe Goerge W went after Iraq because of the hit they put out on his father 10 yrs ealier.  I don't remember the exact details but I think they had a death squad sent into Kuwait to kill then President Bush during a state visit after the first gulf war.  

In this case I agreed with Goerge W that Irag was thumbing their nose at the UN and the US and we couldn't let it go on any longer.  The problem is he should have gone in with many more troops but that's another story.  George W said he went to Iraq because they were harboring terroriist but I believe it was for the reasons already mentioned.

Those were good points SomBch  :ThumbsUp.gif

trx@9, um...........well.........ah.....WOW you have it figured out now!  It's all the jews they are the reason for all the worlds problems.  Did you graduate from Adolph Hitler High by any chance?  I havn't  heard that kind of nonsense since the Heraldo Riveira Show and maybe a little on Jerry Springer in his early days.  Pull your head out of the sand man  :K :K

George W was born with a silver spoon in his mouth supplied by his father.  His dad also got him out of the Vietnam war by pulling some strings.  If it was not for his dad GW would be some ranch hand punching cattle because he is not the brightest bulb in the box.  Now would GW admit he went after Iraq for his dad, of course not.  But it makes more since than the reasons he gave.  He had it in for Iraq as soon as he got into office.  Just my opinion :ThumbsUp.gif

Its all factual, truth is truth. you can't handle the truth. Why does stating facts make me a racist. Pull your head out of your A$$. Least the sand is a little cleaner. :-X

All are good views.I am learning ,teaching & that is the reason I posted this from another board.Its great to debate this stuff & see other view points!

G-nite

Well guys how did the FBI know when it was going to happen?  The FBI went to every Gas Station and other shops that had cameras and took the film.  That was makes me think it wasn't a terroist thing.  If the FBI knew it was going to happen they sure of knew who did it.

Maybe some of ya'll should check out some real facts...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html


Also...i love how in the video the douche bag talks about having a remote controlled air liner the government used to test fuel and such...Notice how he says it Took off 11 times...and crash laned 13? Wow...must flew a couple more times than they could remeber...

Or how about the B52??? that crashed into the Empire state building...Umm no jackass it was a B25... which is alot smaller..plus the fire only went to a few floors and was extiguished within a few hours...

Also...um the phone calls from the plane were fake? O rly..how so? Umm last time i check the terrorist weren't too smart at flying w/ electronics so they used ground referances and you need to be low for that so umm...cell phone's will work...

Also I have a friend who's brother in law was a pilot on plane who crashed into the Pentagon...

Loose Change is dumb and anyhone w/ half a brain will come to the conclusion that 9/11 is real and all these conspiracy's can stfu

Thank you....