ATV Florida Forum

You won't believe what I aw at Okachobee Saturday.A guy in a golf(I think he had a little kid on there) turned too sharp and flipped over and started to bleed(but how could i know that because I wasn't that close).All the 4-wheelers out in the mud started to crowd around him.All of a sudden this really big monster truck goes in and helps him.Well thats all I know from this accedent.

Was this at l-cross, we were there.  The guy bashed is head real bad and the girl broke her foot.  If this is the same one, thank God there was no kids.  I know the girl that was in there, they just hit a rut and flipped.  The roll bar got both of them, just goes to show, anything can & will flip.  She is fine, though, broke foot in two places, I think he is fine too, but don't really know him.  But he did take a good hit on the head.  It was scary to see though. 

Ban golf carts, they're dangerous!

So is a half track w/460 in it doing 25 across the mud after drinking 24 pack bud light???

I think thats a STUPID comment above! ???

Exactly, I was there & quite impressed with ALL the contraptions,to make a statement like that is immature. How many homemade gadgets were driving around that place.There was some awsome American Engineering there! Who is to say what may or may not be dangerous is not for anyone but the builder to say!

I believe he was saying ban them as a joke.  Since every time something happens accident or what not ppl start banning what ever it is.

you can fix a car, you can fix a roof but you can't fix STUPID!!!    ;D

Freakk

Sorry girls, I assumed my previous comments would be appreciated as sarcasm for the current threat to Durhamtown Plantation. On Friday, the local pigs will be attempting to get an injunction to shut them down because of alleged excessive injuries and deaths there. My sarcastic point is to just ban life because it causes injury/death, eventually! There's far-greater risks driving your cars or crossing our streets!

 By Local Pigs I assume you are in reference to police officers?? Who is the first person you call when in danger or need help...Grow up and respect them!!!

Maybe his talking about is girlfriend?

A good example of HOW NOT to be taken seriously.

 ;D ;D Hi everyone! Just going to make the facts known. It was not a golf cart, it was a RHINO 440 and the guy did not hit a rut, he was doing donuts and flipped. The girl did not even know him and later said it was stupid to load up with someone she did not know and also did not know how much alcohol he had consumed prior to her riding with him. He went to the hospital and got 3 stitches over his eye in the eyebrow area. She broke her foot. Once again there is not a cure for  STUPID!

Thanks,
Patti

Amen to that, i see it all day!!!

When the tree huggers get their eyes on this, it is loaded with ammunition against the people who respect this sport. L-Cross will be "banned" if we continue to openly speak of how drunk all these people are while operating golf carts, rhinos, atv's & even half traks. Just another post with a big black eye & all the drunks are the reason my family will never attend these events. I am sure everyone has a good time, but the booze dont mix with machinery. The girl with the broken foot could sue for her injuries because everyone has already admitted he was drunk & operating the rhino, the release that most places make you sign holds no weight when there is absolute negligence. I am not attacking L-Cross, but the unruly behavior that these events have become. Last week we were hearing about an employee of another similiar type mudbog damaging someones vehicle, now this. It is just a matter of time unfortunately.

The employee damaging someones vehicle was not at L-Cross

 :) :) :) It was not an Employee, it was the OWNER and that did not take place at L-CROSS! That took place at another MUD BOG! You are right about
the posts not being a good thing all of the time. However, we at L-CROSS do encourage constructive criticism, especially when it comes to a FUN & SAFE time for those that attend our events. We correct anything we can as quickly as possible. Remember we have 4 son's and started this for them
to have a place they can have fun and also be supervised! We are parents
as well as business owner's and would not have it another way.

Thanks,
Mark & Patti

Sorry about that insinuation, I fixed my mistake. I just wish more positives would make this forum than all the negatives.

You are Right and Wrong. People  get hurt in this sport EVERYDAY, it doesn't
matter where they ride, if they have been drinking, if they are riding double, if they have helmets on or not. I read as many posts as possible on many websites everyday and there is never a day that goes by that I don't read about a bad injury or death. In National Forest's where I know they are not  drinking alcohol and even officers of the law. I also here about people being hurt and having accidents in the automobiles, boats ect. We all have to be careful every day with the choices we make and be aware  of the other guy as well as our limitaions and experience in the hobbies we choose. Almost all sports can be dangerous my god look at Rodeo, Nascar, watersports, Horseback riding, etc. Have FUN and keep on enjoying what you do, most of all be SAFE!!!!

Thanks,
Mark & Patti
SAFE!

Everything can go smooth a Million times....the one time it does not is what they remember...

I must say that most everbody that goes to these events are going to drink and release some steam somehow or another on weekends. If it was not for places like this to attend and not for our off road vehicles where would these people be. They would be at the bars and on our streets driving drunk and then how many people would be killed on our roadways. Even innocent people just going to the grocery store. At least at these events everyone there knows what to expect and its keeping the drunks off the streets. I go there and I never drink while I am out there or only maybe drink one or two the whole weekend but I know that most of the adults are drinking so i watch out for them.

Does this mean your 4 sons will be taking part in the adults only wet t-shirt contests next weekend? You write something in open discussion that contradicts what you write in the where to ride section.  I would have to assume your 4 sons are adult age. ??? I do appreciate anyone who opens a park for us to ride in but dont blow smoke(bs) to increase business.

I did not realize I was blowing "BS"! My son's are ages 25-19. The 19 year old is away at College. However they have all attended the ADULT EVENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE ADULTS! That's why we have them, so we can have FAMILY EVENTS & SEPARATE children from ADULT events.

Thanks,
Patti P

Of course it MATTERS if you have been DRINKING, you increase the chances of getting hurt even if you are WALKING! I was just trying to say you can get hurt even if you are not. All of the things you do as far as proecting yourself with helmets and proper saftey gear decrease the chance of injury. I was just saying you can still get hurt with any sport or hobby even
if you have not been drinking or have the safety equiptment!

Thanks,
Patti

Thanks for the clarification. I also am one of those that need a little more guidance in life once in a while. ;D

Like I said, we are to assume all of your sons who you built this place for so they would have a "fun & safe" place to ride, must be adults. It sounded like they were youngsters & obviousley if they are they shouldnt be involved with the "adults only" weekend. I give your place a year before it gets shutdown. I hope I am wrong, but from the posts on this forum, it sounds like there is too much lawlessness going on to survive any longer. Could you possibly give a percentage of how many people who are operating OHV's are actually sober as compared to the guys who stay out there & start popping tops at breakfast? Also how many are underage? Keep in mind you are the one on this forum hocking business, not me so you are open to mine & anyone elses opinions. You can reply responsibly or attack, its all up to you. We all have opinions. Pretty soon we will see the post titled, "Help L-Cross, govt is shutting them down".  When a good thing starts, it is irresponsibility that usually takes it away.

have you ever been to l-cross?

NO, dont plan to either, I do have relatives who live in Okeechobee who go there often & I hear what goes on out there. It is all written on this site, am I supposed to beleive these are all lies.

I agree not being responsible is the leading cause of places getting shut down.

But, your comment " Could you possibly give a percentage of how many people who are operating OHV's are actually sober as compared to the guys who stay out there & start popping tops at breakfast?....

is a rather typical opinion of the close minded people that WANT ATVing shut down..."bunch of drunk red-necks"....You have obviously never been out there and until you decide we are worthy of your presence , I give no weight to your opinion....you Can not classify the whole by the actions of a few...

I was readin over some of greenmachines last posts. This dude has really negative personality and a big ego, I don't take any of his comments or opinions seriously.

close minded and Opinionated is not a good mix.

Greenmachine. Maybe you need to go out there and check it out for yourself. Maybe there is people drinking out there at breakfast but those people will be doing that rather L-Cross is open or not. Evidently you did not read my last comment on page one. People will drink on the weekends regardless. Rather its at the bars (which then they leave and get on the street drinking and driving) or at an event. I don't know about you but I had rather these people be at an event all weekend where they cannot drive on the street. If it was not for these events then there would be more drinking and driving on public highways. Maybe these treehuggers should shut down everyone of theses events and we should sale our toys but then after that happens then these drunks will kill someone on the roads. Then whats gonna happen, are they gonna try and shut down the bars and drinking establishments. I ask you a question. Have you ever gotten behind the wheel after you had a few. In fact I ask this to every member on here and see how many says yes they have. Where had you rather these people be. I do not expect all these people to answer that question but just think about it in those terms.

Hopefully, more people see this guys thread in the same light as you and I Scrub.. He has no clue, and obviously has no desire to get one.

 :) WE  are a 5th generation Commercial Beef Cattle Operation and have been on this property of 13,000 acres since the 1800's. So ALL of our family members have been youngsters at one time here on this ranch. They have always wanted to invite others to come and play whether it was fishing, boar hog hunting, riding atc's when they first came out our hunting buggies as they got older. However, it was always just a chosen few that were alowed to come do to the liability. SO, 3 years ago we were approached by them to set up somethin like what at that time was FELDA MOTORSPORTS PARK here on our ranch so they could invite more friends, due to the fact that 3 neighboring counties have NOTHING for children to do but get into to trouble even when they are not looking for it. So in order to invite more to enjoy OUR BACKYARD we had to make a business out of it to be able to afford the liability insurance and as we have grown in the past 2 years this past was our 28th event we have for the most part been able to have nice events with the majority of the people  attending having a great time and come back. As with anything good in life there is always someone who trys to make problems and sometimes problems come just from being successful and the more that attend the more poblems. I do not appreciate the fact that you just want to be negative and not see the positive that we are doing. We always search vehicles and remove anything that could hurt people as well as the enviroment. Take away alcohol from minors at the gate and all through the weekend from those who acquire it from ADULTS! We have a different color wrist band that is used for people who are under 21. Not only do we have certified and qualified security we also have deputies of Glades CO. here on the premises 24 hours a day. Our County applauds what we are doing and the positive impact we have brought to our agriculture county that would not have the business in the commercial establishments if we were not here! DON'T LOOK FOR US TO BE SHUT DOWN ANYTIME SOON.

Thanks,
Mark & Patti Pearce
L-CROSS EXTREME EVENTS
STATE APPROVED & LICENSED FACILITY

And how exactly does anyone think the government is going to shut down a legally operating, licensed, & insured operation because of the actions of those who go there? I don't think so....


You beat me to it Patty... Keep up the good work! I assure you, (with the exception of a few IDIOTS) we all appreciate all you and Mark have done.

I dont like hanging with drunks or putting myself or family in jeopardy of getting hurt by someone elses  ignorance. Sorry if that makes me negative. I read that she "built the place so her sons would have a FUN & SAFE place to ride". She said it not me, I just questioned it. I am the last guy who wants to stop ATV's. I have been riding since 1978, started in the glades around Holiday park now live near Tampa & ride the usual places in Central FL.  I just dont understand how "fun & safe" go with guys who "drink 24pks of beer & drive OHV's" A simple answer is all I needed, but you guys start the personal attacks as usual when you dont agree with someones opinion. Good luck L-Cross I will leave your threads alone in the future.

But its ok to put your life in danger by hill climbs highspeed sport bikes, maybe they should close down sand mountain? I bet there are more deaths from sport bikes and hill climbs then there are deaths from drinking on atv's.

If you don't like hanging with drunks or don't want to put yourself in jeopardy then I would advise you to stay off the streets on a Friday or Saturday night also, because thats where the illegal drunks are. You call what L-Cross does as lawlessness. How could it be lawlessness if there are deputies patroling the area. How can drinking on private property be lawlessness. I think your wrong on that one. You still have not answered the question as to have you ever had a few and got behind the wheel either. Thanks Patty for giving us a place to ride.

Nobody should be drunk when they ride.....does it happen?..YES....I think everyone is entitled to an opinion.....when people start classifying averyone that goes to these place as , "Drunk 24 pack drinking rednecks having beer for breakfast". That is not an opinion that is a personal attack....understand the difference...I enjoy and adult beverage when ride, I do not have to be drunk but I HAVE to be responsible.....

Hey Mods can we lock this thread as its not going anywhere? 

I think that would be a GREAT IDEA!!!

PATTI PEARCE

i think toby keith said it best:

lets get drunk and be somebody. ;)







........i guess thats not much of a contribution.
i just wanted to say something before it got locked.

yes, not just locked but deleted. i feel this thread is unfair towards lcross and should be taken off so new users and guests dont get the wrong impression.

true, but what yall don't know is I am always right. I have never been wrong in my life and whatever I say is true :)

I think his opinion is that he is not a redneck and he hates them. My opinion on that would be if you don't care for rednecks then why the he!! are you down south.

Sounds like this uptight dude needs to come out & have a beer! :D

Remember Opinions are like A$$holes, everyone's got them and they usually stink!!!!

I love beer and beer loves me. We've been going steady for over 15 years and never get on each others nerves.
Beer never has a hedache and I can enjoy it all month long.
Beer never gets mad if I come home with beer on my breath
Beer doesn't get mad if I pick up another beer
Beer can't give me herpes
Beer doesn't care if I fart
Beer doesn't get cramps
Beer won't run off with my credit cards
Beer never complains about the way I drive
Beer is always wet
Beer always listens and never argues
Beer doesn't use up the toilet paper
Beer is easy to get into
Beer never says "no"
Beer doesn't make me go shopping
Beer doesn't mind getting dirty
Beer is always ready to leave on time
I love beer! :)

That is a pretty good 1 Matt!!!!!!

I wasn't asking to be excluded, I'm northern by birth, Southern by choice, and REDNECK at heart!!!!


Matt I agree 100%,

I have to give it to you Freak, At least you came down here and changed instead of try and tell us how you do it up north. It just ticks me off when someone comes to our country or state and want to change it to the lifestyle they left.

if there was a part where someone was out of line and name-calling, or using profanity,,,please point it out, otherwise I see no need to delete this thread.

Id@

si. porgue  america es nada comparado a cuba.  ;D ;)

aprende "capitalist infidel"

Kay passa..dude?

now that's funny.

Id@

AMERICA IZ HOW U SAY..........
NO TING CON PEAR TWO CUBA

yer responses crack me up.
i can imagine ya'll saying it. :D :D

I don't care if you stay or go, just don't try to make us change. Wherever you came from is fine, if you made it here then great, but you are the one that needs to conform to our ways. This is america and we speak english. This is the south and the northerners came here knowing its full of rednecks so they can conform or go back upstate.

Sorry yunt, I am as red as the next guy, born & raised in Florida. Hank Jr cd in my player & country in my blood.  I will apologise for any offending remarks that may have personally offended anyone, but I stand by my opinion & did not get PERSONAL with anyone. Is this a public forum or an AD page for L-Cross. Why would anyone get the wrong impression, maybe because all you guys get so personal & actually have no clue of what a debate or discussion consists of. My whole family grew up on ATV's & airboats & we still have them all. I have no personal issues with rednecks, just drunks. Now you guys on here associated the 2 together not me, if you reread my posts, you will not see that word redneck until this post. Yunt makes a good point that they are off the roads, but what about Sunday afternoon or even Saturday when the cooler runs dry? What about the guy who gets toasted & gets pissed off over something & leaves the park. What ifs can keep going & going, the bottom line is the impression of the events at L-Cross are that it is a big drinking party & with alcohol comes ignorance & bad decisions. Would the guy in the Rhino have been doing donuts if he wasnt hammered? Who knows, maybe, maybe not? I guess if you aint part of this good ole boy network on here then you are "negative, uptight, clueless...etc" I am sure if any of you all met me we would have a good time but yes I am opinionated. BTW I am not anti beer, just anti careless drunk.

Amen to that, Yunt !

Greenmachine, If this guy was not out there drinking on his rhino doing donuts he may have been drag racing drunk on the street, what if then one of your family members was at the wrong place at the wrong time and he hit one of them and killed them not with his rhino but with his truck. Huh, at least everyone out there knows to look out for these type of people out there, as to where they may be just crossing an intersection of a street when some drunks runs the stop sign. And then they never get a chance to see these stupid people.

Yunt, the sad part is I didn't have to change, what you see is how I've always been!!!!

 ;D ;D Ok, there are 4 mud bogs with in a 50 mile radius of us, do these things only go on at L-CROSS? I guess drinking goes on at alot of outdoor events such as , concerts, ball games, nascar, boating, I could go on forever.
What I want to know is why are you singling out L-CROSS? Oh, by the way the guy driving the RHINO was NOT HAMMERED, the  girl just said she guessed that she was stupid for loading up with out knowing him or IF HE HAD been drinking and most important if He even knew how to drive the
RHINO, she said it was very irresponsible on HER PART. Before you ask, yes she is an ADULT.

Thanks,
Patti

Quote: "And how exactly does anyone think the government is going to shut down a legally operating, licensed, & insured operation because of the actions of those who go there? I don't think so...."

Well, of course that is exactly what the government does!  For two quick examples - how about Durhamtown, which is facing a shutdown on Friday!  As far as we can tell, DT has done nothing wrong, but a few irresponsible, or unlucky riders hurt or killed themselves over the last four years.  Now that is DT's fault?   How about River Ranch?  Over and over we hear, keep out of the wet weather ponds, that is all the ammo the gov't needs to take over the property...  As most would agree, the vast majority of property owners there respect the place, but a few jerks can "ruin it for everybody"  Doesn't that line sound familiar???  I hate to say it, but the government can do just about anything it wants to do.

you ride at your own risk...remember that...

DON'T WORRY! WE WILL!

Thanks,
Patti P

OKEECHOBEE?????

I was going up & over the hills by the swimming hole if I fell off & broke my neck without alcohol is that L-cross's fault? NOPE, Why not ban tailgate parties at football games. All those drunks at Jimmy Buffet concerts?Anyone ever go to Columbus day regatta??? alcohol is Legal & if people choose to indulg its there own fault.L-cross is an open event & each individual is responsible for there own actions.

I would imagine someone being drunk & running into someone would be settled in a civil court.Where you are innocent till proven guilty?? Thats how it is supposed to work right.For someone that has never been there is an aful lot of perception of what they think goes on there....No different than any the above venues.

I had reservations & concerns at first for my kids,however going eased my mind & was my choice.It aint as bad as you think!!!!!!!!!!!I will go back & thank;s Patti for a cool place to ride.....we need longer trail ride! I am sure w/all that acerage yall can find another route around turkey hens!!!!!!!!!

 ;D ;D Bushwacker,
We are working on it right now. It is only until June. Hope to have it worked out by the next event though. With everyone being Adults at the next event we can maybe go off the beaten trail a little bit.

Thanks,
Patti

AMEN

Got my beads for the adult weekend!

ATV jousting I am in!!!!!!!!!!

The Rhino flipped over approx 6-8 feet in front of my nephew and myself and we saw the whole thing. The guy was not driving like a drunken idiot or anything, sure he was splashing around and having a good time, but we ride a lot harder than that in our back yard every day.

He was actually going pretty slow when he tipped.

I must say that people were helping them straight away and officials from L-Cross were on the scene very quickly and handled the situation very professionally.  They should be applauded not insulted.

Obviously if you have that many people having a great time in a somewhat dangerous sport, there is going to be an accident or two. All I can say is that I have been there twice and have NEVER felt in any danger there. If you don't go you are missing out on a lot of fun.

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THANKYOU! THANKYOU! THANKYOU! THANKYOU! THANKYOU! THANKYOU!

That was the ONLY injury of the whole weekend! Sometimes people just have ACCIDENTS!!!! MY GOD we had Thousands of people there having fun and 1, I repeat, just 1 little accident and we should be ashamed. I don't think so . We are PROUD!!!

Thanks,

Patti P.

This coming from someone who drives farther then I do to get there.

Not quite, Joe dirt had an accident.........



couldnt find the head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

Maybe this is the golf cart lilrider is talking about. I don't think anything or anybody was injured......


well maybe some pride because of a faceplant in the mud...

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Did I tell you how much I love beer?

I like chicken wings too. Hey Art! I'll have to get Chillin to call you when we go for our next training session of pitchers of beer and wings. Got to stay in shape you know.

I can't wait to go to an L-Cross event. Just have to make time to go!

What did I do?....Are you saying I am a drunk redneck who gets to drunk and wets his pants?.. ;D

You know I am always up for a training session like that.

Not quite, Joe dirt had an accident.........



couldnt find the head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D
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What did I do?....Are you saying I am a drunk redneck who gets to drunk and wets his pants?.. ;D
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You didnt show up your on my list!!!!!!!!

Where is this Okachabee ya'll keep referring to?  ;) bunch of drunk rednecks> Just kiddin.
By the way greenmachine, is green the color of your emotional status or the color of your uniform...minus the star of course? 8)

 ;D ;D   
 L-CROSS EXTREME EVENTS,INC. is located on Highway 78 on the North side
of LAKE OKEECHOBEE in Glades County, 22.5 miles East of Highway 27 & 11.5 miles West of Highway 441 in Okeechobee. You can learn more about
L-Cross and their upcoming events by visiting there web site at........

                                            www.l-cross.com

Thanks,
Patti & Mark

Yup, I know where ya'll are at Just dont know where Okachabee is, hence the sarcastic drunk redneck comment. Oh well, carry on

 that is just an ignorant comment from somebody who does not want to put the beer down, alcohol and riding just don't mix, and if you support that you an idiot

Ban golf courses, there are taking all of the good riding spots. LOL

No offence yunt but why should they banned golf courses?

Because golf courses are taking up our riding areas. LOL


Just to let everyone know, Lil_Rider would be my daughter Jeannette so don't bash on her. Shes only 12

We got yer back Lil_Rider.....

Hey Yunt, I'm still at work......

Until tomorrow morning at least

sheesh

I'm still at work until 3pm today. It sucks.

What if you just cant type, or just have extreme difficulty translating your thoughts into typed words, are you still an idiot?

you know how much fertilizer,pesticides,termiticides,fungicides these courses use weekely???That would be a start.

you know, if it werent for all the guys,,,,that would look like a bit of heaven to me.

Id@

Dang Ida, I was starting to think I was the only one who noticed.

 ;) 8)

Well no one should ever know but the people who seen the golfcart flip over.Daddy don't embaress me in front of alllll the riders.OK

OK Sweety

uh oh,,,she's not one of the ladies in the picture is she?

Id@

No Im not.Dad why did you call me sweety.I asked YOU NOT to EMBARESS me.

Because you you are