ATV Florida Forum

Just in general I want to find out if there is a need and a desire for a Quad Only MX series in FL.  This is just in the beginning stages.  Also. please give me your input.

No I don't think there's enough quads on a consistent bases, Maybe in a couple of years. If its a FTR back series there will be only a few quads there due to there sound requirements that they will be enforcing 92 dbs. I fart louder than that.lol; :S

   I think the demand is definately there if you do a small 5-10 race series  different tracks to start and maybe grow in time. Look at the NEATV series up north. Do some research on it and see what they offer, because whatever they are doing, they are getting 300-400 quad turnouts. Just an idea.

    I do agree with TRX#9 that the FTR sound rules may be an issue for some. For example I did the voluntary testing last weekend and I am at 108. Repacking is not going to fix 10db. I can't put a stock pipe on it and if I could, I wouldn't for one series. Aside from that how can I quiet down a 2 stroke? I can't exactly buy a super trap end for it. I know as of right now I fit in that loophole, but It seems 2 of the officials don't like me much, and I get the feeling that loophole won't be around next season....

  I think if we had a series to offer ages classes (16-24, +25) along with skill level classes we would get more entries as well as more quads. Most people will run more than one class if they have the opportunity.

not that i would race but im sure there are a few that dont come out now because of a few reasons

#1. because of all the dirt bikes and extra classes the the track gets tore up real bad by the end of the day.

#2. also because of all the extra classes for the dirt bikes its an all day ( very long) event.


just my thoughts

I would support it for sure, im phasing out of the FTR-XC after this year, Mrs. Nightbreed if it was your trx250r you had tested it is exempt from any sound rule enforcement, I think 1989 and prior dirtbikes and quads are exempt from this crazy-low DB rule.....

I would run a quad only series.

I have 3 boys that would run a Quads Only Series and a dozen more of their friends that would run.  You just have to keep in mind the national schedule because alot of the Florida quad guys run the nationals.  My son had to sound test his Cobra 50 quad at FTR this weekend.  It is 100% stock and tested 104.  I asked the quad rep what to do and he said put the stock pipe back on.  I already told him the bike was stock :K This was the same guy who told me that i needed proof of age for my 3 boys.  He said only the quads needed proof of age because they need to be 16 to ride the 450.  I pointed to my 7 and 11 that I signed up for the mini class.  My 16 year old gave him his DL and he then asked for the other two DL.  I told him that they don't give 7 and 11 year old a DL and he said that they needed to show a DL.  :banghead.gif  Looks like 2006 will be our 1st year for FTR and our last.  Oh and what the hell is with the dam dirt bike trophy.  My 7 year old got 1st and she handed him a dirt bike trophy.  He asked her what was he supposed to do with this because he is a quad racer.  She rudely shoved it back to him and said thats all we have.  My oldest got 1st and my middle got 2nd.  A good collection of dirt bike trophies this weekend >:(  Come on FTR, you take the quads money but can't award them properly.  If they don't want us there then just tell us.

It amazes me how many people are leaving FTR HS and QS.  I would love a stand alone quad mx series.  Maybe then we could get some classes for us old people who can't make the doubles, because the C-class riders should all be in the B-class!!!

Id def be interested! 
1st of all- A quad only MX series would be safer for all quad riders racing, simply because the quality of the track alone!  A quad friendly track that is still challenging is hard to come by.  Broken bones and bikes suck!

2nd-  It would give us a set schedule to race by, allowing us to schedule races, which in return would provide better turn outs!

3rd-  I just like to hear myself talk! ;D

jt

YES WE ALL KNOW THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!     ;)

  IM with  you jason I have been racing with the ftr for 2 years mx and harescrambles  there not to friendly to quads but they did come up with quadscramble this year the turn out hasent been that great ive missed a lot of racing this year  so i could spend more time with my sons racing were taking a little vacation this week up at durhamtown plantation so far today my son went a littile to fast and to squirrelly through some woops and flipped 2or3 times bent his steering stem to the gas tank but other than that having a great time we will have his fixed tomorrow so he can be back at it. and about quad only racing let us know how we can help keep all the dumb 16 rules out and we will be there.

o would deff. race it.

I can't believe all the people complaining about FTR series. When I ragged on FTR about 8 months ago everybody jumped down my throat saying how great they were. Its funny how things change :-X

Just like any series there is good and bad points.

When the quads line up it is like watching a national and from what I have noticed more people watch the quads than the bikes.

I just want to build a series that is good for the quad guys and have some of the things that yall want.  Some of those things will not happen in FTR.

Your right about FTR , the secret to this working is scheduling. Maybe september  through winter would be a good time. Thats when the winter ams and gold gup series is operating and we all know they haven't  allow quads since 1991. Plus in the winter a lot of riders come down and train in the off season. ;)

We would race. 

It would be nice to race where quads (of all sizes and ages ;D) are welcome. 

How is FTR not friendly to quads when they went out of there way last year to get more classes for the quad then again this year brought even more classes for everyone to ride. Also the Mx chairman is a quad rider and the mx referee has both of his sons that race quads so i think its pretty stupid to say that they are not quad friendly or they don't care. The trophies you get with the dirtbikes on them at the track are given to you by "the track" ftr has nothing to do with the trophies. If you ride the series and place well enough to get a trophy at the end of the ftr series you will get a trophy with a quad on it. Anyways I would also ride in a quad series as well if one were to come up.

Do you guys like the MX better than TT

I'd run it for sure! As long as it won't conflict with the national scheduale for next year. If you need any help with promoting this, or help organizing some stuff, let me know, me and my parents would be glad to help! Good way to start is a fund raiser!  8)

whatever you do please make a youth class that includes the raptor 350. please. I actually have stopped trying to find a place to race quads and now race my pit bike at supermoto. Another cool thing would to have some kind of sponsership program for the youth classes.  have some kind of standards such as academic achievement. maybe some kind of proof of community service and have like free practices and race entrance fees.

Well I have to say somethings, first if wouldn't be for FTR, who else will host a Hare Scramble for quads ? they have had the dirtbikes for years and then opend up a place for quads, and it's been growing, now this year they start the quad scramble, opening a lot of more classes, now it is up to us to make it work, when it come to FTR MX is just about the same case, now if we can have a MX quad series would be great, so we could have a lot more classes so everybody will have a chance to race at their own class. We disagreed with the FTR set up, well been so many classes quads and dirt bikes at the same race day it is crazy but we all suffer dirt bike and quads, so there is no difference at that point, having seperate series we all win, now are there enough quads, I think there are, but do we have enough people willing to help and participate ?  we need to do something to find that answer.

I have nothing bad to say about the FTR series because I never raced quads, its always been recational (sp) riding for me. Now that I like riding tracks I'm willing to try racing  quads only series, for one to get as many quads as possible to promote us, and two I would feel a lot safer riding on a track that doesn't get beat up by dirtbikes. Like other people mentioned I really dont think there is enough quads out there to race are own series, but I will do what ever it takes to get it going. So the answer to your question is YES I would race the quads only series.  Good luck on this and keep us informed L.C.

up to 400cc's please. and great ideas

  i think there should be various beginner classes. alot of atv riders are scared/intimidated when riding on a track is concerned. they have not ridden on one ever or just a couple of times and are worried about getting trashed. i think if a beginner races in a class  they feel comfortable with, that rider will eventually want to continue to race.  oh yeah, i would like to but the way it looks, the closest track to me is an hour drive. the next clsest is 2-3 hours.

First of all I want to thank each and everyone of you for your voting and input.  It is nice to know that you , the riders are interested in this series.  It is going to take some work and I am going to have some people step up and help.  The first couple of years will show if we can make it or not.

Next,  I have got to address the issues that have been brought up against FTR.

FTR is a good series.  For many years they have provided us (quad riders) a series that we can particapate in (Unlike the mainstream MX series). The reason that this series is starting is because the individual that approched me about it wants to have some classes that will not happen in FTR.  It is also a chance to give yall more seat time.
 
Being the MX Quad rider rep in FTR for the past year has let me see what happens behind the scenes.  For the remainder of the season I will still be helping them and fulfilling my role as Quad rider rep.  I also plan on having a continued friendship with them and the people that ride their series.

For you that have had some problems with some of the rules that FTR has, I am sorry.  The thing that you have to remember is that everyone has the same set of rules that they must follow.  That makes the field even. (ie. the DB rule).  As far as the proof of age, and why did it only happen to the quad classes.  There were several instances where people signed up and were riding in a class that they were not old enough.  This rule is in their rule book where they can request proof of age at any time.  If the individual does not have a DL a notorized copy of birth certificate is in order.  (This is also going to put in place for the dirt bike guys also.)  I am not bringing this up to make anyone mad.  I just want you to know the reasoning behind what occured.

Last thing that I ask of yall.  Please keep this a positive post.  We are trying to get a great new series started for you the riders/racers.  I do not want any bad-mouthing of any other series that runs in the state of FL.  Each series has good points and bad points.  Not every person will be happy.  I want to make this series enjoyable for everyone of all ages.
Thank you for listening.

Brett Jones    

i like the TT better because there aren't quads flying over your back ;) 

Point of interest.

The plan is not just for MX. 

We will start with just MX and also try to incorperate flat track,TT,Drag, Hair Scrambles.  Anything that you think is possible.  But we have to have a starting point.  I know MX, so that is where we are starting.

We really want to stress family activity.

didnt realize that was a possibility.  now i will vote ;)

The reason why I ask we cant get a race quads or bikes on our MX track but the TT track has 90% quads on it very few bikes.

i think the reason for the above quote is due to your MX track being very difficult for weekend warriors and the average rider.

I have the answer to getting alot of quads at the SandMountain MX track!!
 
The track is huge and very technical!
Bikes can do the track easily but quads have a difficult time!  This is mostly because of the placement of jumps, the lips and landings of jumps, ruts, etc;
The average rider/racer cannot have fun without worrying about their safety and their quad's safety. 

NOW HERE IS THE SECRET!!!

W/ such a large track, you can cater to both quads and bikes!  A track could be made to have a closed off portion leaving a much more quad friendly portion(rolled lips, tabletops, smaller doubles, take out the huge step-up, etc;)
Then when the bikes run, you open up the rest of the track that is more Dirt bike style riding and doesnt have to be so "Quad Friendly"  while still having the whole track to race on!!!!!!!! ;)
It would give you an easier way to groom the Quad portion without having to spend alot of time doing it, and it would give you the ability to attract alot of quad riders that do not have to be Extremely Skilled to ride the track without getting hurt!!  A few redesigns and some good word will get tons of quads to race the track, giving you the best of both worlds!!!!

Now, why am i posting this on this thread!!  Because Sand Mountain (if done like I mentioned)  could be a host to a Quad Only MX series, making it more of a reality to kick this thing off!!! 

MAN, IM GOOD!!!! ;D  I AM SO IN LOVE W/ MYSELF!!  (opportunity for LE to say something)

Good idea

I'm not saying a word ( Mr Happy Pants ) !!!!!!!!!!    ;)

I love the way just anybody can come online here and say whatever they think. Even if it is wrong. 96dB is the sound rule for harescrambles in FTR and 98dB at the MX tracks. That is a fact.

I am the FTR Harescramble Quad rep and appreciate everything they do for quads and motorcycles alike. It is the newness of things that brings all the negativity. Can't you see past that?? Here is an opportunity like never offered before and all you need to do is show up. Everything you are asking for is already in play.
What?
The only thing holding you back from racing/riding is your pipe?
I agree, 96dB seems too low. I mean, we are only racing for one weekend out of the year in the middle of the woods. However, that isn't alawys the case these days. Our population here in Floriduh has blown up so much in the last 20 years it isn't even funny. Shoot, I bet more than half of you on here's Mommies and Daddy's are from somewhere else. So less "out in the middle of the woods" is availible to us anymore. We are a club and a proposal was made to introduce this noise limit. It passed. Who knows, maybe somebody smarter than me will make another proposal to raise the level? I don't know?
The words "Gated Community" ring anybody's bell? How many jackholes do you know in your own GC that complains about the stupidest things? Well they are the same hypocrites who don't want you to ride.
Somebody said long ago "I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us" 8 out of 10 of my friends have loud pipes. Why I don't know. They don't even race. I couldn't get them to a race if my life depended on it. So why are we having sound issues?? Look in your mirror. Well maybe not YOUR mirror, but you know what I mean. How many of you have the same friends?
My YFZ is so fast, stock, through the woods, why would I pipe it? I could care less about racing in a straight line. Yes it gives more hp, but if everyone was compliant there would be no disadvatage. Pipe companies will change their pipes to accomodate demand.
Face it, you hate everytime a jet or airplane or helicoptor buzzes your house. You hate when some jerk comes booming past your house. Why? Not because of the paint job. Because of the sound. Sound can pi$s people off. It $ucks but it is the cold hard truth.
As for what size a kid can ride? It's not up to the host. It is now a Federal law. Under 16 years old is limited to a...? Jeez, it is so new I have to look it up again. I think it is 110cc. But it really isn't up to the host of an event. So don't get your hopes up on an organized event disreguarding this law. You must bring some proof of age for youths who want to ride a bigger machine than 110. Again, cold hard truth. Sorry.
Which brings me to the next issue. Land.
Getting it is not as easy as you think. If it is for you, please pm me so I can direct the right people to it for our upcoming Quad Only season.
Which, by the way, is having yet ANOTHER "QUAD ONLY" harescramble May 6th and 7th. You can bet there will be a fun run afterwards, too.
So what is stopping you? They will not enforce the sound rule until 1st race of next season anyway!  :o Come out and see what it is all about. Get tested. You might find 96dB is right around where you are at anyway. My 06 YFZ read 91.7dB and it is stock. My other friend has a SuperTrapp with all the disks, and his came in at 98.2. Some disk adjustments got him in the limit. And I thought his was loud.
So, whatever you got going on Lost Cause, I wish you luck. I will be a part of anything that promotes riding in Florida. I can't believe so many people want to ride. They want to go fast. Here is an opportunity and they just have to come. It is no pressure. You ride or race.
I tried many times to get people on this very site to participate and to help host an event. How many do you think came? NONE!
"I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us"

There is no nose ordinance in the day time. So as long as there running at day times then there should be a problem.  I live by a concrete factory, it makes tons of nose all night but it was there years before the neighbor hood was. So I can't complain, I'm sure other people are but its there own fault for not checking out there surroundings. Anyways I just trying to say FTR sound ordinance is way to low. They need to follow the AMA rules then nobody can bit-h. Another thing Ftr want do is run any money classes. The FTR is also a rip off too 50 bucks for a membership and my membership didn't even last a year. Look at the AMA its like 35 dollars for a full year. And the AMA does a lot more fighting for ATV rights than FTR. You are right about idoits with loud pipes though but I been noticing its getting better than it was a few years ago.

Well I'm glad you have it all figured out. I challenge you to do something about it and make your own series. I'll go. Until then I think you are out of line complaining about membership fees. Name another organization in Floriduh that does ANYTHING for you and your love to ride? NAME ONE!? Other than a MX tracks there is NONE.
Makes we sick to read that $50 makes you cry. I read your sig and wonder where you ride? Who pays you to place in FL? Please let me know, there are several hundred that will go for that.
I didn't see YOU at the meeting held Tuesday to help save the Picayune trails. FTR was there. Like they are for every other political dealings pertaining to your desires to ride. So, please show some respect. Think before you type. You may find you don't know what you are talking about.

I don't mean to sound like a jerk towards you trx#9 or anybody else. I just get upset knowing all of the hard work that goes to hosting an event. It's not cheap, either.

Sorry for ruffling your skirt, but the truth hurts sometimes.  Read what everyone else is saying too, There not happy with Ftr either. I didn't know FTR does more than the AMA thats news to my ears. Get real buddy! I think the FTR is great for trail riders and hare scrambles but have no business in motocross. Tell me my pipe is to loud at the lakeland international speedway, yeah what ever. Go tell dale jr. is car to loud FTR.

I ain't your buddy and you can't handle the truth.

OK YOU TWO. ???

I asked you not to do this on this post.

Start your own post if you you want to discuss FTR matters.  I will join in there.

I am just trying to take our sport to the next level in FL.  A stand alone series.  Backed by a National Organization.

FTR does alot.  They are a good organization.  They give us somewhere to ride....... and the list can go on and on...

Please understand my request to keep this a POSITIVE POST. 

Sorry  :-*

come on Brett it was getting good :D

Truths ;)

I talked to Sue at Bithlo last night on Quads Only thursday night.  She had 27 riders last night and a ton of spectators checking it out.  She had only 12 last week on her 1st night.  Great job quad riders.  We are in charge of our own success, so please support her.  Back to my point, she said that Bithlo and Waldo would be on board for a Quads Only Series.  I am sure that SM would be game also.  We are going to work on getting a special track in Perry.  Its not open to the public but he is working on getting an ESPN national.  This track is AWESOME!!  It would be a perfect track of the series finally.  We need just a couple more tracks and we have ourselves a series. 

first, Don has his ESPN deal 99% complete for Perry. it looks pretty good that it will happen. Second i am sure Seminole would be on board. they have already had a few quad only races with some success. The first thing we would needd to do is have a group ride at a track and hold a meeting. see if enough people will donate time to try and organize this.

Thanks guys.

Just to inform you a little bit.  I don't want to jump the gun but here are some things that I have been working on. 

I have contacted 8 tracks so far.  I have 3 that said they are interested. (Waldo, Bithlo, and Redthingy) The others I have not heard back from.

 The next thing that is happening is a meeting with Randy Dinkins in Naples the end of this month.  He is the director/founder of NQRA.  He is the person that came to me about this whole idea.  I will find out a whole lot of information then.  He told me to be prepaired to learn 8 years of experience in one day.  From the conversations that I have had with him there is a lot.

Next will be getting the dates and securing sponsors. 

I hope to have things formatted in May.  That way we can get this thing started this year.  Looking at September-January.  Not sure how many races but would like to get 9.  The more sponsores we are able to lock in the more we will have to offer at the end of the series.  The more people I can show that are going to support this venture the more likely we will get the sponsors and the tracks.  The dates are in the off season from the Nationals,  but run at the same time as the other series in FL.    But still have to show that the tracks will profit from our attendance.

Keep talking amungst yourselves and your friends.  Get this information out.  The more we have involved the better the series will be.  I plan on starting out with the MX series but would like to expand to other forms of racing/ATV activities.

More information to be posted later!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 

git-ter-done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I appreciate what FTR has done for the quad riders. I think that by staying with the one day format, they have probably limited the growth of quad classes.
In my opinion, there needs to be some more classes added if the quad market is to be fully tapped into. Whatever series is successful in tapping into the "average rider and average quad" will soon render the others obsolete.
For instance is the 400cc class of which there are still lots of 400ex's and z400's that really cannot compete with the 450's.
Another untapped class is the entirely stock 450 class. I believe there are a lot of people that would race their stock quad but have neither the money nor the ability to modify their quads. I understand we need nerfs and kill switches, but I am talking pure stock quads.
Let's face it the A B C classes might offer up to 60 quads at best.
Any "Quad Only" series will need to draw more.
My 2 cents.

Um... if you are talking about the "Quad Only" series, we have not implemented the one day series yet. It was discussed and voted on because of such low turn-out. A lot of people do not realize the expense in hosting an event. This will be changed back to a 2 day format when more quadders come out and support what has been created for us. This is a BRAND NEW thing here in Florida. Anything new is bound to need refining. I hope we get a bigger turn out next year.
As for MX, I don't know. After this thread was started I began researching Motocross here in Florida. Lot's of courses throughout  this state. More courses than rec riding areas. Seems more MXers than XCers
Happy Easter

I'm sorry I was not very clear. I was speaking of the MX series. I just think trying to run all the bikes and quads on one day limits the growth in the MX series. I thought we was talking about MX racing.
I am all for any series that promotes either MX or TT quad racing.

I agree with the quads and bikes running on the same day being a bad idea. the bikes create different lines and ruts that make it very unfun (if thats a word) for the average guy who want to try racing.  i for one do not like spending all day at the track just to get my turn and have to ride a beat to death track.

how does it cost so much money to have a race anyway? the way i see it is the track owner has to staff a few extra flaggers a medic and a few people to keep track of the gate drop and placement! big whoop! they are bank rolling off a race day. they are bringing in no less than 6 grand in a day. thats alot of cheese so whats the problem????????????? 

6 grand a day, more like 16 grand a day.

Whatever help you need, just say the word.

Thanks-

Right now we just need to talk this thing up.  Get people interested and excited about it.

Here are a list of classes we are thinking about.  They may change but this will give you an idea.

Expert, A, B, C, 16-24, +25, +30, +40, Women, Stock, Youth 13-15 (200cc 2 stroke/ 300cc 4 stroke), Youth 8-15 modified (71-90cc 2 stroke/ 125cc 4 stroke), Youth 8-15 limited (71-90cc 2 stroke/ 125cc 4 stroke), Youth 6-11 limited (51-70cc), Youth 4-8 limited (0-50cc)
            **** MUST BE 16 FOR: Expert, A, B, C, Women, Stock
 

Classes sound great, how about some age classes as well, like a 16-24, 25+, then like a 35+. That way we could all run 2 classes and get to race more throughout the day. Let me know if any help is needed.

 ;) :D

Id show up and race.....

and I think the MX track at Sand Mountain is awesome, I dont understand why no quads show up to race.

There are plenty of other tracks that are "easier"

Personally, I like that feeling you get the first time you clear a big jump you were a lil intimidated by.

I would race it...

o yeah and i do and dont agree with the sound limit on bikes, yeah i think 98 is a little on the low side, why not follow national limits?? what are they like 102 or 103?? they should be enforced though, i mean who hasn't lined up next to an old tc shorty pipe thats like 2 inches long and have it hurt your ears, thats kinda a little loud for me but whatever, hope to see this quad only thing take off

He edited it after I posted!! I sware!!!  >:D

Hey everyone.  Time to update and give some more information.

The meeting in Naples went good.  Everything is falling into place.  I have a meeting to get a web page up next week.  It will have the dates of the events.  Will not have all the tracts listed because I am still waiting to hear from some of them.

Good news is it looks like Waldo and Bithlo are in for sure.  Much thanks to them.

This thing is going to happen cause there is a need and yall want more seat time.  Starting to contact companies for sponsorships so we can have a good year end banquet.  Also looks like it will be a 7 race series.

More info later.
Talk this thing up and lets make it happen.
 

First Date:         SEPTEMBER 17, 2006   

 :Clap.gif You are the man! :Fp

I was just thinking about that today. I was going to call you for an update  ;D

sweet i will talk to my ad about it and tell some people at dade

ok, change of wording in the classes.  All the kids classes that said limited are supost to say production.  Sorry

im 15,  so that means i cant race in "c" with my 450r?

if not what class can i run?

none you must be 16.

 The arguement was getting good :box.gif. But I love the idea, this would be great. I'm all in with you. Will the pipe noise still be a issue? Someone let me know. O0 :drive.gif     

As of now the pipe issue will not be a issue.  Things are looking good.  I hope to be able to post all the dates with the tracks after this weekend.

One other note:  We are also thinking about making this a qualifier series.  The top 3-5 in each class are going to qualify to go to 1 national race against other series.  As of now it looks like the series in Alabama and in North Carolina will be part of the series.

I say we make the races go to tracks in the south east instead of just staying in FL. Thats my opinion !!!!!!!!!!  Keep us informed on what tracks are running .............

Not everyone has your money Stevee to travel out of state :D, So I'd be happy to stay in Florida only for now until we see how this takes off.

thats right Steve! and if T2 isnt there whos gonna pack down the jumps for everyone??????? :D :D :D :D























had to do Bro ;) you know i luv ya

 please post up the results of when and where, i am in.

 we need to keep this post up top. and update us on whats going on  and if you need any help let me know email me a flyer or some information on the races and i will get it to the races we go to just like to keep this updated.........

Sorry I haven't posted anything for a little while.  The flyer is almost done and will be posting more soon. hope to have it up by the weekend.

Ok
Over the past week there have been some things that we have had to change with the series.  Not bad changes but has put a little hitch in getting the flyer together.  There has been some revamping of the classes.  This is due to the other series that will also be running under NQRA.  (SEQRA, TQRA, STQRA, series in NC and VA) These classes are going to be in line with each other for the series final when the top guys in each class go to compete for top honors.
They are:

*Open Money ( For A class riders or Age group riders over the age of 16.  Must ride another class other than just Open Money)
*450 Production- A, B, C
*Open Stock
*Women
*Open 2 Stroke
16-24
+25
+30
+40
Youth 13-15 (240 cc 2 stroke/ 350 cc 4 stroke)
Youth 8-12 Modified (90 cc 2 stroke/ 125 cc 4 stroke)
Youth 8-12 Production (90 cc 2 stroke/ 125 cc 4 stroke)
Youth 6-11 Production (51-70 cc)
Youth 4-8 Production (0-50 cc)

*= must be at least 16

Also the series was going to run for 6 months but looks like we may need to do in 4 months.  Still working with the tracks to get this finalized.  Here are the unofficial dates.

Sept. 17, 2006
Sept. 24, 2006
Oct. 8, 2006
Oct. 29, 2006
Nov. 12, 2006
Nov. 19, 2006
Dec. 10,2006

Thank you all for being patient.  Most all the bugs are worked out and I am fixing to be to the point where I am going to need help on race weekends.  When that time comes I will contact those of you that are interested.  I want this to be a great series for yall.  Also thanks to all that have helped so far.

i think its great how it going to run in the fall and winter. cooler weather and no nationals. :Clap.gif

Man I hope you keep those dates, I just checked my calendar, and I'm off most of all the weekends. Keep us posted and great job at what you are doing. ;D

Since this subject is about ATV's, is there any way to get it pinned????????????

Is it possible that the races will be at the least... 5 laps per moto???

Alot of the reason I don't race is due to too little track time on race day.
And... my YFZ is a peice of crap, it's cursed... no really it is ;)

Thanks mon',
Dan

why does everyone have races on sunday :dunno.gif whats wrong with saturday so you can rest up the next day?????????????????

We are looking at 5, maybe 6 laps per moto.  The money class will be doing 15 min. + 1.  They are going to have to earn their money.

Working on a web page and the flyers are almost done.  If anyone knows or would like to sponsor the series please contact me ASAP.

Brett Jones
Lostcauseracing1@aol.com

i cant wait 8)

I guess so you can practice on sat and get to know the track and race on Sunday.  That way you get much more seat time.  

So you going to come try it Dreth?  I hope so.

not likely but you never know

Brett, I was just looking a the FTR races schedule for next season and the only day the may be a problem is Nov 12, FTR has the MX#3 race at Reddick, is it too late to make any mods or you may have this already taken care of ?

I'll try to make it to as mant races as I can, some of them are the day after some of the Hare Scrambles I do, but if the quad is OK and if I''l be in one piece to, I'll give them a try 

Luis, you are the kind of Ironman that could do it too.  :)

Here is the Preliminary Flyer!

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i see we are only going to three different tracsk. :-\ oh well.

there should be 4.  Lakeland has not said yes or no yet.

Spoke with the owners of Lakeland this past weekend, they want the Race, they are just making sure there is not a Car Race the same night!

Thank's Brian, will see, MX is only 5 laps it shouldn't be that hard, will see, you shuld join us to

It is a good start, hopefully it has a good turn out, and next time we could have some other tracks to race in. :ThumbsUp.gif

Looking good  :Clap.gif

which track are they at?

Dreth, come on out an play with us!  T2 is out rolling around, u need to be too!!!!!

im old and slow! what class are you running in?

I'll be in the old and slow class, have to start somewhere ;D, looking foward to it, never raced B4

Hey Tony, it is my class and is growing up, It will be the bigest class, well if we count the years, can we count the points by years ? I'll be on the top ten  ;D

I will most likely run both +30 and +40 classes!

MudRat is my hero!!   hahahahaha,   definitely need to get in on this series!! Thanks Jeff and Brett...  We need to get Brett into the IFC family!

My jumping skills are getting alil better so... But if the schedule is for T2 to be off, then that means I'll be working  :-\ .

LOL
That family hurts toooo much!

Rob
You know the dates.  Put in for them now.  Don't be scared!

yeah Rob come out and race. ;D i know you want to. 8)

YEA ROB!

Come on Rob, you can do it, be like a tennis shoe and just do it! ;)

Is there a website I can lookup to see the date and info?

website coming soon.  should be up next week.

you can look back through and the dates and locations are on the flyer.  Still waiting to hear from so potential sponsors.

*Open Money ( For A class riders or Age group riders over the age of 16.  Must ride another class other than just Open Money)
*450 Production- A, B, C
*Open Stock
*Women
*Open 2 Stroke
16-24
+25
+30
+40
Youth 13-15 (240 cc 2 stroke/ 350 cc 4 stroke)
Youth 8-12 Modified (90 cc 2 stroke/ 125 cc 4 stroke)
Youth 8-12 Production (90 cc 2 stroke/ 125 cc 4 stroke)
Youth 6-11 Production (51-70 cc)
Youth 4-8 Production (0-50 cc)

*= must be at least 16

Also the series was going to run for 6 months but looks like we may need to do in 4 months.  Still working with the tracks to get this finalized.  Here are the unofficial dates.

Sept. 17, 2006      Pax
Sept. 24, 2006      Waldo   
Oct. 8, 2006         Pax
Oct. 29, 2006       Bithlo
Nov. 12, 2006       Waldo
Nov. 19, 2006       Quick Track
Dec. 10,2006        Bithlo

450r91-

Where are you located?  Hope to see you at the races.  This is going to be a great series. Everything is shaping up nice.

Sounds like a good time, not a bad start for the first year. Im in.

hey lostcause have you figured out any exceptions on the age limit ? my son will have to miss the first three races because his birthday is in october. because pax is his favorite track, he will have to miss both races there.

pax is having a 3 sat night series. starting july 8, if anybody is interested. just trying to get a good turn out for this series.

I was relooking your dates and the 11/12race falls on the weekend of the GNC banquet. Do we get 1 throw-out?  :'(

you will be allowed 1 drop.

To be elligable for year end you must ride 4 races but 6 will count.

 :-*

Hey guys, just to let you know, I'm a full Amsoil and VP dealer and will do delivery to the track at the races....I'll have a price sheet available..  Just trying to feel out what racers are looking for...

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some c12 would be nice ;D

how much for a 5 gallon c 12?

prices are fluctuating right now with our great economy but c12 is running right about 7.50 a gallon..  I will have a bunch on hand since most of us are running it.  I will also have a bunch of synthetic Amsoil 10-40 and 0-40 atv and motorcycle oil on hand..

Lost Cause, hows the website coming?

 any new info? anyone from ft laud/miami area looking to attend this series? maybe 'quad-pool' for fuel savings as this is not close at all.

You will be able to go to WWW.SSQSA.com to find out information.  It should be up and running by Monday morning.  Will not be complete but will have some important info. 

Next season we will have more tracks involved.  Cover a little more of the state.  Thanks for everyones support.

Brett

P.S.  You can go to the site and see the coming soon page.

brett if you have to reschedule any races please try please try to move one of the races to after oct 15

OK!!!!!!!
I have the first page up on the site.  Check it out and give me some feedback.  The first page is not complete but it is a start.  go to www.ssqsa.com.

Looking good Bret

The dates all look good, But I do not see anything about race fees or membership fees, What are we looking at, will it just be one membership or will you need one for every track you race at??, with 3 racers in the family this would be a deciding factor.  KEN

I will be adding that tomorrow.  The membership fee is 25.00 per person.  Will be good for the entire season....

I just wanted to get something up so everyone can believe it is coming!!!

Brett, everything is looking great. The big thing now is getting CJ's but into gear on getting his bike done lol. Im trying to get my work to sponser the series, trying real hard to see if they are want to. Right now its up in the air but im doing as much as I can.

Sounds great.  The more sponsors we get the better.
Just a note.  If someones business wants to be a sponsor we will accept cash.  The Money will be used for product at the end of the year.  You should be able to use it as a tax write off . 

LOOKING GOOD BRETT!!!

3 racers.....WOW............hope you have deeeeeeeeep pockets :bow.gif

Ken-
The membership fee is $25.00 per person and is good for the entire year(Sept-Aug).  It will also entitle you to ride all NQRA series events and we are also working on some sort of discounts for having the NQRA membership.

The race fee is $25.00 per class across the board.  Except for the Money Class which is $50.00.  100% pay back to riders.  80% gets split for the day and the remainder 20% goes into the pot for the end of the year and will be split between the top 3 in the Money class.
Gate fee's are still up in the air.  Working on that with the tracks.  That will be posted on the web page soon.

Practice will be sat and racing on sundays. (Practice and fees on Sat are run by the tracks)Those will be posted soon also.

Hope this helps and we will see you at the races!!

 :dunno.gif Is it true the Florida Quad Series web site is www.SSQSA.com? O0

Yes, the site is up.

The series is  called "The Sunshine State Quad Series".

What is the web site called? (Florida series) O0

SSQSA--  Sunshine State Quad Series Association

www.ssqsa.com

The whole, Racing on Sunday thing, is a God sent for me!  Maybe now I can actually race MX! My whole issue before was scheduling!  When you work most Saturdays, it makes it hard to get to a track by 5-6:00 o'clock! Especially when these tracks are a minimum 2 hrs from me and as far as 4 hrs!
Why couldnt you get Sand Mountain to play!?  Is it because of their uncertainty in being open?

Hey I just wanted to post a video of some Old school MX racing with some Legends of MX.  Check it out.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3A547493-F0CD-44B1-9362-031D591C641C.htm

Some changes have been made to the site.  Check it out!!  It is coming along.  Still adding information.  Hope ya'll enjoy

Brett

You are going to have to change your handle to "manwithacause".
I just wanted to say thanks for all you have done putting this together for everyone. I'm sure it will be a HUGE success.
Dale

Bless you my son! Awesome video post! That was back when Tracks used to be fast as he L L !

fast and no jumps ;) like a big TT track. looks like fun ;D

Jason,

You are my age so you can remember guys like Donnie Banks, Jeff Watts, and especially Jimmy White from the 3 wheeler days. Man, racing was great back then, factory support, good money and all you needed was talent. Unlike now where you need big bucks to play on the big boy level.

Like a huge TT Track with some balls to it!!!  Imagine if that type of racing was around when the Banshee came out!!! :o
A couple of those step ups and small doubles was all that would slow you down back then!!

Scott,
I remember them boys!  That was back when I used to race w/ Jackie "Holeshot" Meadows!  He's still around the exteme dirt track series. But he still might be the only factory backed 14 yr old ever!  Where'd you find that video!?

JT,

I dug it up from a search on the internet. I wish I could suit up and try my hand out there now. By the way, any news on Sand Mountain? If it opens in the fall, I plan on coming down and seeing what the LT250R can do in the Open/Expert class. I hope they aren't closing it down like so many other places.

I remember those days, all you needed was about 1000 bucks to trick your quad out and you were ready to go. Your right, Now its all about the money. :'(

Dale--
Thank you.  ;D
This is something that I believe will turn into a big series.  We just need to show the tracks that the need is there.  I understand that all of the races are in the central part of the state this year, but if we get a good turnout from the riders down south and from up north there will be races in their areas next year.
So spread the word.  Get these people to the races!!!!!

Brett

Amen Brother, 

With all the riding areas starting to close and alot of tracks getting pressure from county and water managment districs to close down, we should make a strong effort to support the series.  Every level of rider should be made to feel welcome and appreciated in order to gain support and interest.  Most tracks cater to high level competition while overlooking the lower level riders.  If even those riders are encouraged and embraced to come out and race then we should definately have a good turnout!  I think that alot of riders are intimidated by the word "SERIES", thinking that they are not good enough.  The fear to actually take the first step to get started being a "RACER" is sometimes intimidating for beginners!!!  These guys are the future of racing!  Make that effort a strong felt one and I think your series could be set apart and will be a huge success!  Sorry for the rambling, Just had a few too many! :drink.gif

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Very well put JT !!!!
Everyone that has quads and has ever wanted to try their hand at racing should get the word out. How will you ever know if you like it, if you dont try it. ;) QUADS ONLY, how often do you get to hear that these days?

We have added some more sponsors.  Check out the site.  Links to the sponsors are coming soon.

Some of the Classes have changed a little.  The 450 production A, B, C, is now Open A, B, C.
The 90cc mod class age has changed to 8-14.

So you can run a 2 stroker or a hybrid. Thats a good decision my friend was just asking me that. :ThumbsUp.gif

Why the change? I was using that to my advantage to keep certain sandbaggers (cough*Nightbreed*cough) out of the C class....and you just spoiled it.

lol :P they dont have a womens class. :-\

Yeah they do, and I will run it too  :) I just want to "move up" and race with more than 2-3 people....

Got  to thinking.  Got to get the series established first then we will fine tune it next year.  See what we have to work with.

oh gotch ya. i think im running 2 classes 2. 16-24 and open B or A dont know yet. :-\

In the open stock class, what is legal to change and what is not?(How many people are looking into racing the Stock class?) Im on a 2005 trx450r, I live in Oakland Park fl.33334 How far drive time am i looking at?? What track is closest to me??

Go to the website a few posts up and click on the links to the tracks.  They have maps and directions that should give you an idea! ;)

I am hoping to have the rules up soon.  The open stock class is for any quad that you can think of.  Everything must be stock.  You can change the tire size.  Other than that it must be how you get it off the showroom floor. 

All quads must have kill switch and nurf bars and number plates on front and rear.

 hey YELLOW RR you ride at seminole mx?

1 month 6 days,  but who's counting  ;)

I got this all figured out:

Race 1: 6 weeks - can't make it
Race 2: 7 weeks - nope not yet
Race 3: 9 weeks - I plan on it! woo hoo!
Race 4-7: Its on!!!!


 8) I am not counting either.....

Hey, haven't you seen that guy who runs NATIONALS with one arm...
don't be a wuss M.  YOU can do it too!!!   J/K of course...
Try to keep yourself occupied and rest well. You won't lose speed,
just endurance.

Dano

hey just found out reddick is racing nov 12 also we need to try to change this if possible because if reddick is racing the same as waldo we would rather race reddick.

I was awaire that there was a race at Reddick.  But I think we did pretty good not hitting any of the other races.  The schedule is set already.  Maybe next year we will be able to get a race at Reddick.  But we will have to have good numbers for all our other races before we will be able to get a race there.

If you want our sport to grow, it would be nice if you'd participate
rather than try and change what Brett is, and has been, wOrking so
hard for all year.

I always have bad luck when it comes to making races, this is no
exception. My friend and I both had blown motors OR trannys. We
fixed his motor but it took a long time and I was worried mine would
be the same and not get done too... So in order to make sure that
come Sep 17th I am at the first race I went and bought new quad
as a "motor donar" for my race quad.

We will need  as many people as possible for this series to "happen".
I will do everything I can for it to work. We all should.

Take care,
Dan

were can i find the race schedual at?

http://ssqsa.com

click on race info.  The schedule is there.

Weekend format is up on the Site.  www.ssqsa.com

Are you going to post the race schedule, so we can how many and what classes we can run. Like how the AATVA does it. That would save a lot of hassle at the track. Pre set it!!! ;)

I am working on that.  I just don't know how to be fair to everyone.  I will tell you that the tracks want to run the Money class the last race.  The good thing is the tracks think we still should be out by 3:00

Question on the gate fees. When I show up on Friday, I pay the $25 gate fee for myself and whoever comes, and that is for the whole weekend correct? I don't pay the $25 gate fee friday, than another $20 saturday, than another $10 on Sunday correct? Will there be any practice Friday night at pax, I know they have lights  8)

they practice on thurs knights. more likely sat practice is what normal races there.

If you show up Friday it is 25 for the whole weekend.
If you show up Sat it is 20 for the weekend

it should be 25 for the weekend and 25 to practice sat and whatever the race fee is sunday.

so if i show saterday its 20 for the weekend for each person to camp. :-\

this looks like its costing more than i thought. ???

it is no more than any other race i have been to.

 after looking over the schedule of the races, i won't be attending many races. too many of them too soon and too far away. between fuel,tolls,food,lodging,entance fees, race fee, membership fee,practice fee it would cost me over $1500 for the first 3-4 races. not to mention driving back 5-6 hours. sorry. i would love to support it but i can't at that expense. maybe next year if there are closer venues. good luck and to all who live close to these tracks and can afford it, attend and support this 'cause'. it is good for our sport.

we will only be able to do a couple...i know no one likes dade city(except me i guess)but they do provide a nice facility and one of the cheapest places around to practice and race...not to mention there is always competition...that being said i can't for the life of me figure why several of the races are on the same weekends as dade city..dade city has the mini quad field covered,i'm afraid the result will be the same as ftr mx for the mini quads..noone can race on sat and get up at 5a.m. sun and drive for a sunday race..i know the answer everyone will give,dont race dade city..well its sad to say but i spent thousands of dollars racing the national series the last couple years,even finished 3rd last year and won a championship this year.you recieve next to nothing for all the effort and money(alot to spend for bragging rights)last year at dade city banquet it took 4 trips to the truck to carry all we won,i know randy is about every bad word out there but he takes care of the racers at the end of the year..i guess i'm just babbling but id love to see another place to race with more than a handful of people in each class,i just dont think its gonna happen going against the biggest venue in the state...look at bartow,going head to head with dade city has all but crippled them...is there any reason a series like this can't put on a one day show,why do you need a full day of practice...are the tracks groomed on sat after practice?anyway we will support the series on the dates that don't conflict with dade city,we just love going racing....

"Hi, I'm Randy Yoho and I approve that message!"  LOL

>miniquad8 siad:
>"I'd love to see another place to race with more
>than a handful of people in each class,.."

Well, here's your chance. Show up and talk others into doing the
same.

Change does not happen by doing the same thing over and over.
Which means, that if you and everyone you race with continue to
just go to Dade... than thats where you will race at.

I'm not baggin' on you man, but it would be nice if people were just
more positive on this thread. Afterall, its a rare thing... Quad ONLY
motocross series!!!

This could be the start of something great for all quad racers/riders
OR it could turn out to be just like almost EVERY track owner feels
about quad racing, that we are a watse of time due to NO turnout.

This time it is up to US to bring about change.

If you have the means, either you care that much about OR you DON'T.

Take care all,
Dan

Well I am sorry to hear that some will not be able to attend the races.  I can understand the reasoning behind your decisions.
I know that Dade City seems to have the market on the quads.  Randy does have a good banquet at the end of the year.The facility is nice. Very easy for the fans to watch a race.  These are all true facts.  But here are some facts that you may not know.

• I tried to get a race at his facility
• I was told that he thought I was doing this a couple of years to early

• In order for him to even entertaining doing a Sunday race he wanted at least 300 riders
• We are going to have a nice banquet at the end of the year.  This first year may not match what Randy gives out but it is a start.

For those of you that can not make it to every race that is fine. You only need to do 4 to quallify for end of the year product.  But come on out for the races that you can and support this series.  It will give you other places to ride and maybe even open up other opportunities for you in the long run.  The more we have this year the bigger it will be next year.  We have 10 great sponsors and 4 great tracks behind us.  Lets show them that they made the right decision to back this series.

Thank you
Brett[/color][/list]

all i'm saying is:there alot of racers that have committed to a season at dade city with only 5 races left,they aren't gonna throw that away...i have the lions share of the miniquad racers that will follow us if we race somewhere else...problem being no one is int in racing on sat nite at dade city and then again sunday morning 2 hours plus away....i know you cant schedule around everyone,but for argument sake look at the mini quad turn out or should i say lack of at the ftr...most kids that race have a parent or older sibling that races also..therefore my reasoning is try to work around some of the problems and you may find some full gates..if it weren't for the mini quad support that i helped start in 2003 at dade city randy would have more than likely abolished the quads again...5 and sometimes 6 full gates of youth racers,you do the math...

MiniQuad, I was really trying to be partially funny in my previous
reply and NOT offensive or attacking you.

While I realize your previous racing commitments, and
commend you on setting and reaching goals as an example
for children, this new series is not about the past or the
present. It is about the future.

NO amount of scheduling is gonna make all happy. There are just
too many variables(Tracks, organizations and series). I mean,
you have FTR, Dade, GNC, GNCC, Florida Series schedules, etc etc
etc.

So I think saying just adjust the schedule is unrealistic.

Also I have seen mention that the cost is too much, and yet we will
not hesitate to spends thousands on suspension, hundreds on tires etc.

Man, finish out your series at Dade, have a great time. I would not want
you or anybody else to get anything less out racing and life. For real.

This year just make the races that you can and then next year... if we
struggle along enough for it to be around, make it your new committment.
For the future. A future where your whole series is not spent at one track
all year.

As you have witnessed and been apart of at Dade, there is strength in
numbers. Bottom line. Only good things will come if we all join together.

Best of luck to you,
Dan

P.S.
I really do not even care to race. BUT my friends who I ride with DO. So
I will do it for them, and spend the money it takes so that other people
who really love racing can have it better than it is right now, as far as racing
goes for quads.

Very well said Dano

Dano is the mano!!!!!!!!!! ;)

Just want to give my opinion! Most know that I rarely do so! ;) ;D LOL

Here goes-

Rome wasnt built in a day and neither was Dade City! Neither was Gatorback, or Seminole, or any other succesful track or series.  But here is the thing. If the riders and racers in and surrounding our areas do not support this series out of the gate and support it strong. Then it will fail!  Sacrifices need to be made by the riders and racers that constantly gripe about not having the places to race or a series to do so. Dade City has an awesome turnout all the time and has alot or riders that race there.  At any given race, half the riders that race Dade city could not show up and it still be a good turnout! It has built a following that can support the track without them all having to be there to do it!  That is the same thing that we need to try to do with this series.  Give it all we have the first season of it so that we turn more "riders" to "racers", more racers follow, and more attention is given from the track owners and sponsors!  That way it can grow into a series that we dont constantly have to babysit and worry about having enough attendance or support to keep it going!  My POPS always told me "If it starts out messed up, it ends up messed up".  Lets make a few sacrifices- drive the distance, miss a race or two in the series that your running, talk the series up, bring riders and racers with you! Start it out right and it will end up right. Id love to hear about how many riders was at a race and how I should have been there and how I missed an awesome turnout.  Id also like to be one that contributed in building it to that point as well.  What Im trying to say is- Start strong out of the gate and get excited!  People WILL follow. The more people that follow the stronger the series and the stronger our sport! Im rambling! Too much of this! :drink.gif

jt

ok this is the last post i'll make on this topic...to set the record straight,i'm  not and will not ask for a race to be rescheduled(i know whats involved ive raced for 20 plus yrs)i'm not plugging for dade city i just used them as an example....as far as money and places to race i think my son and i do our tour of duty,this year alone..gncc fl and sc rounds,gnc round 3 through 11,dade city except for the ones that were on national weekends,a few bartow events,and a couple sand mountain shows...i talk to alot of racers and i was merely relaying what i'm getting from the folks at the races...i'd love to see this thing go,i would rather do something like this next yr instead of the gnc mx series..i guess i just dont understand why you wouldnt try to pull from the strongest source of riders,i.e. atleast for the first race so everyone could get the opportunity to come home and tell their buddies what they had missed...just curious,if the mini quads have a small turn out will you give them their own gate or will you do as some of the other series have and race them at the same time as the 300exs and blasters...also we are kicking the idea of driving over after dade city w/the motor home and were wondering if the gates will be open all nite at pax?thanks   no more negative post,i'm sure brett has thought of every thing i've posted....