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http://www.local6.com/news/5912754/detail.html   

   I saw this story last night on the news but couldnt figure out exactly where they were camping.

  The artical doesnt say much, but last night on the news they said they were found like three miles deep in the woods. vthey had to get the bodys out with a hellacopter. and all the cops had to use atvs to get back in there and find them....   im glad i didnt find them while riding...

Holy Molly. My sympathy goes out to their familys.     R.I.P.

        Luca

Let's see now, what group is most-likely to be out in ONF with guns? Oh, I got an idea, let's stereotype that group like we do some other groups!

the area they are talking about on the news is the Juniper Wilderness, they say at least 2 miles from any road,,,but if they go about a mile from that area to the West,,,your gonna hit a clay road.

oh well, can't expect city-slicker news people to know about that.

Id@

That's sad to hear  :(   I was thinking the same thing about a hunter mistaking them for game. Hope they find out exactly what happens.

does anyone kno them or their family?? thats so sad to hear  :'(

Wow thats uncool

ya man that sucks, when we were out there we were told by a ranger that a guy had been missing for 3 days so sad  :(

Yeah, Klem Kitdittelhopper prolly mistook em for a dear. "Hey dear, take your clothes off or I''ll kill BOTH of you"! Or, "look dear, I just shot your boyfriend, now you still got a headache"?  Soowee!

omg prayers go out to the victims families

It was near Delancy is what my brother told me. My sister-in-law works with the mother of the youngest guy found. He told me last night about it.

Man that's sad to hear what happened,,,my prayers go out to the family..

Let's not rush to any conclusions on anything here, guys. Let MCSO do their investigation. We simply don't know the circumstances, but it sounds like a tragic situation for sure. The Gainesville Sun reports they were shot to death. May they find peace with God. One more reason I never ride unarmed.

According to this article

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-campers0806jan08,0,6113437.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-state


they where found near hopkins prairie.... Its the same area and the same time of year the hippie tree hugger or aka the rainbow people hang out. if you go down to ocala this time of year and camp be careful they'll  try to steal anything they can so they can make money to travel

http://www.logoschristian.org/rainbow.html

Dang that horrible

hippies in the woods? Mabey i'll pack some heat like GSPkurt

Just remember, It's illegal to carry a pistol in a National Forest. If your out there you better carry a long gun.

Your real nice bro!!!  :foot.gif

Not if you have a WMA hunting permit. ;)

 :( Its on the news this morning.  They are calling it a murder.

Double murders doesn't sound like a hunting accident. And, the only Hippies with guns are the ones protecting their crops and there ain't none of those anywhere near that area! Any bets it was an angry young white man?

THats pretty sad :o :(

 :-\

And I dont think that was an accident

man, that sucks, I'm going there this weekend

That sucks! What a way to spend your holidays. Hope they catch the f-ers who did this.   

And I take it only white men get angry. I think not. Look in the prison and see what the population is. There is bad in every race.

Have you heard the saying- "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"?

What he said.

I absolutely agree! I carry everywhere I go, I figure I'll deal with a minor weapons charge and still have my life rather than be dead. I just wanted everyone to be clear on the law of the forest.
 Although I don't see how it can be "clear" to anyone. It is illegal to carry a pistol in a national forest and it is illegal to fire a pistol in a national forest, yet there are firing ranges in almost all of the national forests. :-\

Steve, I don't think a WMA stamp allows one to carry or fire a pistol, only a rifle or shotgun.
 
 I'm not clear at all the laws. I just know when I got my CCW permit a while back, I read all the CCW laws and one of them was no carry in a national forest

Scary! RIP.... I carry mine all the time.

You are 100% correct!  I'll take my chances also, I have a CWP and if it's concealed who else knows about it?  But it there when I need it  ;D  I never leave home without anymore (My New Years Resolution) :o what good it doing me at home?  Everyday you here of someone else getting robbed or shot in a nice part of town  :'(

i'll be 18 soon and i'm thinking about buying a gun. my parents never owned any guns. What would be a good first handgun?

You have to be 21 sorry!

21 for a gun?

you have to be 21 to buy a hand gun and own one legaly and its 18 for a rifle.

On a lighter note a toddler's elmo book is asking "Who wants to die?!" instead of "Who wants to go potty?"  It's a sick joke the mother says. 

Yep, very sick indeed!

The first firearm anyone should own, especially as a youth, in my humble opinion would be the Marlin Model 60 .22 caliber rifle.  It is a 14 shot semi automatic tube fed rifle that is probably the most popular rifle in the world.  Though there is no kick to this weapon, nor does it have any true power to speak of, it is a weapon that easily transitions from father to son.  It allows you to learn the respect neccesary to handle more advanced weaponary later on if you so choose.  In is both inexpensive, and reliable. 

Good luck.
 

I like the single shot .22 rifle myself,,,,it's what I learned to AIM with, not just shoot a bunch of times and hope to hit something ;-)

I still have the one I learned with and I have one that was left to me by my grandfather that is rather rare and German-made with a bull-barrell,,,,,still shoot it and still love it.

Id@

Hunting accident? Give me a break.

As far as concealed carry in the Nat. Forest, here's what I could find and it seems to indicate that you CAN carry concealed in the forest.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/possession.html

From this site:

Possession Restrictions
The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

http://www.packing.org/faq/

From this site:

Q: Carry In National Forest
A: If you can legally carry in the state the National Forest is in you can carry in the National Forest. You can not carry into any buildings on the National Forest as they are owned by the Federal Government.

If somebody can find otherwise, please let everyone know. In the meantime, I WILL be carrying there.

  Feel safe when we are riding with our niece( sheriff deputy) in ONF as she always has hers on and off duty!!

I would be carrying in ONF right now if my pistol wasn't needing repair,,,for some reason the firing pin won't hit hard enough.

Id@

  The others were correct....it is ILLEGAL to carry a handgun into the National Forest without a permit (except on a highway that goes through it).  I forget where I read this, but am looking for the reference.
  I like to think the 2nd ammendment would suffice....especially out in the
woods/wilderness.
   Kind of hard to dial 9-1-1 out in the forest and expect someone to come to your rescue.....and sometimes giving a crook 'what they want and let them go away' does not work so well either.

   Chuck 'roast

  I also found this..for those so inclined:

Quote "There is a movement, started on Packing.org to email Ms. Gale Norton, Secretary of the Interior, to allow CCW holders to carry their weapons legally within National Parks. Please cut and paste a copy of the email below into an email and send it, too. Who knows, you may be able to change the policy. We won't change it by doing nothing.

Be sure to add your own name and address to the end "

==================

Ms. Gale Norton
Secretary of the Interior
U.S. Department of the Interior
Dept. HG, 1849 C Street, NW
Washington, DC 20240
Phone: (202) 208-7351
gale_norton@ios.doi.gov

Dear Secretary Norton,

The regulations for federal parks need to be revised. Any citizen who is trusted by a state to carry a handgun for self-defense needs to be allowed to carry that handgun in federal parks. This can be accomplished easily using the same mechanism that is used in federal forests: have the park regulations assimilate the host state's firearms laws.

Criminals know no boundaries. Parks, often with remote areas, are not immune from violent crime. My right to defend my life and the lives of my family should not end at an artificial boundary that violent criminals will never respect.

- We want the NPS to recognize state issued concealed weapons licenses via a change to 36CFR2.4.

- National Parks are the site of over 4,400 serious crimes each year, including 10 murders, 132 rapes, 70 robberies, 3 kidnappings, 212 aggravated assaults, 488 burglaries, 3,277 larcenies and thefts, 130 motor vehicle thefts, and 104 arsons.

- We can expect to prevent 5 murders each year, 26 rapes, 96 aggravated assaults, 36 robberies, and 107 burglaries by allowing lawful defensive firearms within National Parks.

- Dangerous animals attack park visitors and park employees.

- Citizens with concealed weapons licenses are the most law abiding sector of society and therefore least likely to engage in unauthorized use of firearms.

- Criminals already ignore the gun ban and laws prohibiting violent crimes. The gun ban does not protect park visitors or employees.

- The gun ban is un-constitutional. President Bush has stated the position of the Administration is that the 2A protects an individual right to keep and bear arms, yet this ban prohibits citizens from exercising their 2A rights.

- Demand that the NPS explain how regulation 36CFR2.4 passes "strict scrutiny".

- The gun ban is contrary to Chapter 8 of the NPS Management Policy, paragraph 8.2.5.1 Visitor Safety, which states “The saving of human life will take precedence over all other management actions as the Park Service strives to protect human life and provide for injury- free visits."

Law abiding gun owners expect the Bush administration to live up to their promises to protect our Second Amendment civil rights. Please let me know what you are going to do to protect my right to self-defense.


Sincerely,
[name and address]

Hey Chuck,

Would sure like to see some sort of reference for your info if you can find it to clear this up. All I could find in my search were the two references I posted (one from the state that does NOT list a national forest as off limits to carry with a concealed carry license and the other from packing.org that claims the forest assumes the laws of the state in reference to carrying). You said it is illegal to carry without a permit - would this be the concealed carry permit being discussed?

Also, hunting regulations allow for hunting with a handgun in ONF. May be different out of hunting season.

I'll take my chances with the law with regards to carrying off season.
I've had a CCW permit for many years now and dont agree with the no firearms rule that many areas have .

You never know who you're going to run into out there. If you got one carry it , it aint doin' ya any good in the  dresser drawer , especially women.

why not just carry UN-CONCEALED? Better to let the scum bags know you mean bussiness from a far right? You can carry two six-shooters, one on each hip in a holster in plain view no problem.

This may have been done by the women's stalker. And, carrying a weapon is a good idea, but, Billy Bob ain't going to approach you with his gun drawn now is he? And, what if he pciks you off from afar? Unfortunately, the encroachment of "civilization" may have caught up with ONF, so I guess camping in a group is the only way to go there.

Carrying a sidearm is a good idea as a deterent against Billy Bob (Sorry if there's any Billy Bob's in this chat - no offense) and unruly rattlers. When common sense and safety are foremost, there's nothing wrong with carrying. It's a right.

An no, it won't help you against a scoped rifle out of site. But let's put it all back into perspective and move a little closer to reality. Two people were killed and that is a tragedy. Our prayers go out to them and their family. But, in the last 5, or 10 years, how many times has something like this happened compared to the thousands of camping and riding hours put in at ONF, or Florida for that matter. Yes, one time is too many, but it won't stop me from riding or being scared when I ride/camp. Group camping or riding is always a good idea for many reasons.

Still trying to find something Definitive (no guesses, or I overheard this from my grandma's second cousin) on carry laws in the forest- concealed or not, in and out of hunting season. Nice to have the facts, then decide when, where to carry, and what you face if you happen to be skirting the laws.

When dealing with an issue as delicate as firearms I find it best to be short, relative, and to the point........

Chai Vang
Saywer County, WI
21 Nov 04
6 Dead

Nothing is above impossibilty
Always protect yourself.
Lesson learned

i like that qoute.
good one.

I believe the 6 killed were hunters. Wonder if they had their guns.

If I didn't want the info..I could find it! LOL

    All I know is:
  handguns are illegal in a national forest without a 'rangers' permit (except on a highway as you pass through. Highway 40 in Ocala
for instance).
    Open carry of a hand gun (western style slung-off-your hip) is illegal in Florida.
   Florida statute for concealed carry is 790.06.

   Chuck-roast

ida,

were they on a hiking trail? there is a foot trail that goes to pats island (the place the book "the yearling" was written about) in that area. they closed down all the roads years ago. i always wanted to ride an atv in there (the wilderness area) back in my trespassing days. i dont do those kind of things anymore.

jeff

jeff

Well we can all goto the forest and not worry. The worst part?? The killer was not even 20 years old yet and has told his friends before that he wanted to be a serial killer.

LARGO MAN ARRESTED IN CAMPER'S DEATHS
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_COUPLE_SLAIN_FLOL-?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

(http://www.pcsoweb.com/Inmate/RenderImage.aspx?size=full&id=1171649)

It is not against the law to carrry in the Natl. forest so long as it is within the times of hunting season that allows use of firearms and you posses a hunting liscense and WMA stamp. Your CWP does not allow any special rights and thus technically speaking you can not carry concealed within the boundries of the forest. I carry on my hip in the wide open for anyone to see and have stopped and talked to Ranger's, LEO etc. and never had a problem although most of the time I was hunting not riding.

yeah, my friend and i camped there once but next time i go i'm going to bring alot more people or be armed.

Wow you called that one right

I SAY DRESS HIM LIKE A DEAR AND LET HIM LOSE IN ONF. >:(

Well, I would still be careful. ONF is a big place with many "different" users. Meth labs, poachers, drunks, drug dealers, rainbows... ANYthing is possible. Be prepared for the worst, but expect the best.

Yes he did this time but calling it before you find out is racist in itself.

 :dunno.gif  Come on  lighten up a little I really don't think anyone here are racist

This isn't the first time something like this has happened at ONF.  Back in the 90's a brother and sister were reuniting/camping during a college break when they were kidnapped and tied up.  The brother was beaten to death and the sister was repeatedly raped over several days and left to die.  She managed to escape eventually.  I personally knew those victims and their dad was one of my middle school teacher in the early 80's.