How many more troops have to die?

[Hoosier Daddy]

Sorry  guys  but  Im  100%  with  Cain  and  the  good  Doc  on  this  one.

YEP!

[Hoosier Daddy]

you know from just being in the military myself, the worst thing i think that i could ever hear is

"why are our boys over there dying for nothing" or "what are we doing there"

just seems so d**ned disrespectful to the 1900 hundred folks that have given the ultimate sacrifice for their country. instead of supporting them and honoring them by standing behind what they believed in, and honoring them by doing such, we question everything and then run rampant trying to come up with some excuse. Same with the lady protesting the war, why would you disrespect the memory by protesting, instead of taking comfort that your child did what he felt was right. such is our country, though the folks that protect and enable free speech to go on will always somehow find themselves in this sort of predicament. or maybe it is just me, and i do feel greif that american soldiers are dying there, but honor the fact that we do not just simply sit by and let the world tailspin down the gutter...

well I thank you! My family thanks you, and because for people like yourself my 4yo will one day thank you...

[LT-R450ApK]

My only post in this one.... i think

I'm with quad32x

[shulco]

I for one would be more supportive of this war if we had any kind of exit plan or even any hopes of seeing one. We are spending a billion a week over there ,building schools and bridges and whatever, how about spending that here.  So I guess you can say it's all about the money for me. How about getting some more oil for our investment. We can never be payed enough for a soilders life but for our money we should at least get something. I know you'll say were doing the right thing and that should be payment enough,but it's not.

[Chillinthemost]

The exit plan is simple: exit when we're finished.  I agree though we should be paid back 100% and then some. That is a rich country and when its all over send  the free oil.

[cain73]

First off Quad you are too funy    You seemed rather enthusiastic about that porn assertion

Mark - I don't believe in the ridiculous theory of a pre-ordained invasion of Iraq left over fromthe first Bush admin. That's nuts and just more liberal conspiracy theory. I too think they should have gone further to get Bin Laden, but that doesn't mean we should let another mad man fanatic off the hook. 9/11 set it off for us to go offensive instead of just beef up our borders and sit back and wait. There are so many holes that it wouldn't work. Why wait until they get in ? Not only would they simply attack our allies first they would have more time to plot against us. The history of the world shows us that when a hegimon gains strength they attack the weak then the strong. It takes (usually) the next several military powers of the world world to put down the hegimon and the cycle usually starts over with a new balance of power. In today's age it's muchmore critical to watch world events since a policy of isolationism no longer works since the invention of the nuclear triad ( long range bombers, nuclear subs, and ICBM's - my political science professor would be so proud of me  ) so we as the only military superpower must police the world. we did go in Afganistan and put down the taliban - at that time thre was opposition to us doing that so we did so in measured steps which allowed Bin Laden to get away. As for Sadam - we went in for many reasons - I think some believed that he either was working on or was looking in to WMD again. Why doubt it as his past actions show that he we hell bent of getting and using them. We can't afford to be nuked before reacting. not only would there be political fallout "why didn't Bush act?" but we would also have potentially millions dead first. Once a nuke fight starts it would be hard to stop. Instead of other muslim nations complaining they would have joined the fight. Iran IS working on nukes and would be happy to use them. If Iraq used them on us first Iran would be a huge party knowing we were hit. If on the other hand we struck back Iran would quickly jump in to help claiming we were targeting muslims. Then instead of us aginst Iraq it would be us against Iraq, Iran, Lybia, Jordan and the list goes on. And they would probably all attack Isreal which would trigger another ,even larger, nuclear exchange. So we went in Iraqw not only for our safety, but in part for world stabilization.  It's easier to deal with bad P.R. and some partisan politics than it is to qwell a nuclear war.
I think we went in the way we did to not give the bunch of liberal crybabies time to organize against it here at home. We get more flack from here than in the world wide arena. We went in strong and got criticized for it. We take troops out and get bashed for it. It's a cry / cry proposition. I believe if the entire US was behind removing Sadam and installing democracy it would go much smoother. I don't see an end in sight since the use gorilla methods. But that doesn't mean that we walk away. It means that we need to press harder and get the job done. Who would have been for leaving Hitler alone if at the last minute he withdrew his forces and promised to be a good guy? How many did we kill in Japan to end the war and save other lives? sacrifices have to be made to achieve the goal of freedom and safety.
I agree Iraq should pay for the entire war. We liberated them and they should be happy to reimburse us. However, look at how the liberal and the media would spin that one in a hurry - Bush did it so his oil buddies could get all the oil and make biillions. Bush and his buddies are already rich. T hey don't need a war to make money. It's just another conspiracy theory of the extreme left.
Chillin - you bring up another issue which I feel STRONGLY about - and you're right. They cry about men and women that willfully entered the service to defend and serve our country and die in the process, but they want to kill babies at 9 months as long as the head is not delivered first. It's all about pointing fingers and placing blame "It's Bush's fault that soldiers are dying" and "it's the woman's right to chose" which all amounts to I'll say anything to get a vote for the libs. It's like the only ones they want to fight are Americans here at home instead of the threat overseas.

To sum it up how many soldiers have to die? As many as it takes to install democracy, remove a brutal murderous dictator, protect our country, and thwart the threat of a nuclear war. Remember we were attacked first. We owe it to our country and citizens to protect ourselves. 1,900 lives have been given for the cause. I wish it could be 0 but it's inevitable that soldiers will die in war. The good thing is that in the grand scheme of things it's a low number. We lost many more than 1,900 on some days in WWII stopping Germany and Japan from what bin Laden and Sadam could only dream about.

[cain73]

Crossing a line there that could end in a bad situation you two 

[cain73]

laim73, first off, have you ever heard the freakin' phrase:

"UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL"

Think about it. About what it really means. It's a very simple
message but the point is strong.

Then think about the B.S. you spew from your mouth. Your knuckles
are still bleeding from dragging the ground cave man huh?

Oh yeah that's it resort to calling names when you don't have anything intelligent to say. The typical emotional yet logistically and pragmatically useless comments of the dedicated liberal.  I agree united we stand and divided we fall. So you anti-war libs need to fall in line and support the president in protecting our country. I ahve put forth the rational for my opinions backed up by facts. You call names and make an ambiguous statement that can be applied in any way and think you did something.  I ask you directly - would you call those that fought in wars to free our country knuckle draggers ? Not only would you get to eat your teeth , but without them you'd be speaking another language and worshiping some dictator with no freedom to speak of. all the make love not war stuff is great until there is  a danger that must be dealt with. Then it's real men like me and the soldiers fighting and even dying for  our freedom that step up while people like you and clinton run for the canadian border to hide until the blood shed is done. Then you come in talking trash about atrocities while promoting the murder of innocent children so people don't have to be responsible for their actions. Yep, typical spineless lib. that takes all the freedom you can get you little hands on but not willing to make the sacrifices to make sure that we keep it. Run and hide boy, I'll let you know when the bad men are gone.

[Seabeejim]

I really didn't want to reply to this post cause we all have our own beliefs and thats what makes us such a great nation.  But I will reply.  I was there the first day of the War and I saw what Sadam did to his people first hand.  He starved the Shites in the south by keeping water and food from going south, mass murdered males throughout his nation, kept kids from going to school and many other horrible things that I want even bring up.  I did over 45 days in protective gear and Iraq was littered with Chemicals as detectors picked up many of times from places in the desert to water in the Euphrates River.  That is why we should be there.  Look at the pic below of the kids, when we got to country there we no smiles on faces 2 weeks later there were smiles again.  Not aguish.

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[cain73]

And I for one thank you and those like you for your service Seabeejim.

[Honda328i]

Jim, thanks for your honesty and your Honor to our Country.  It's a shame that these kind of stories don't get reported on our media.  You know what you are taking about.  Thanks, and let Freedom ring!

[trx#9]

cain your either Rush Limbaugh, or a preacher, maybe a bush clone or is your name jeb,

[Smoknbanshee]

Where is the freaking crown royal bottle or keg, cause this is going to take a LONG TIME TO GET FINISHED....All I have to say is I am with Chillin....You preach it man....Chillin for president....LE, pass me a F&*KING BEER, I am thirsty after all this typing....Come everyone, we can't let this post die...Let's keep it going...

[Smoknbanshee]

somebody say that quad's daughter was 18?  is she coming to the next sand drags?   

[cain73]

Do you think we should have walked away  in past wars when the fighting got tough? Behavioral reinforcement dictates that any behavior that is demonstrated that is reinforced by positive meand or by withdrawl of negative or aversive stimuli will become reinforced and therefore more likely in the future. Let them get away and they'll do it more often. We lost more civilians in the attack on 9/11 than we have lost soldiers in over a year of combat in which we freed a nation of oppressed, tortured and starving people. Which is worse? Make sure they never do it again and unfortunately lose some dedicated soldiers in the fight, or sit back and wait for the next attack in which they kill thousands more civilians ?


Hey trx - thanks for the compliments  a preacher, a Bush or Rush I'd take any before our ex first lady.  Besides I don't like the name Bill

[Old_School]

cain your either Rush Limbaugh, or a preacher, maybe a bush clone or is your name jeb,

lol. I kinda get that impression when ever he replies. Not because his views but every other word out of his mouth is liberal, conservative, red wing, blah, blah, blah.

Cain, why point fingers at parties everytime you post? Just talk about the issue at hand.  I've noticed that the majority of republicans that I spoke to all mention liberal this and liberal that? What's up with that? I got a buddy with a turbo 5.0 that does the same thing. Come to think of it he also lives in Brandon. What's going on over there?  

I support our troops 100% but I don't support some of the decisions of our leaders. I'm not a liberal, pot smoking, long haired hippie.  My father was in the Korean War and my grandfather was in WWII and my brother-in-law is in the ROTC. It's just the big politicians are the ones that I hate. As many of you do as well.  I just feel that as bad as shape as our country is in I don't think spreading our military thin is the right choice. I'm very patroitic but we took down Sadaam and they voted for their new leader. They have a military(well sort of) why not start pullng back some of our boys?   -Mark

[Gamer]

I was all for the war in Iraq as most people were.  I think everyones opinion changed when no WMD's were found.  One thing I am sure of though is whether we were right or wrong about the war in Iraq we must finish what we started.  You can not just pull out and leave all those innocent people behind to be taken over by another Dictator which would most likely be a terrorist organization.  We started this mess and now we must fix it.

[cain73]

Mark - I generalize along party lines. That's not to say that there aren't various views on either side, but from what I see most unfounded criticism and attacks come from the left. That doesn't mean that it is only a partisan issue, and I don't mean to make it one.

[Hoosier Daddy]

man your just going to piss off everyone...

[cain73]

LOL   Yeah Quad watch out for those "tigers" meow, meow  

I like to read and laugh at times. You can tell; (for the most part) those that are young vs old, and uneducated vs educated just by the way they respond.

[Quad32x]

Let  me  put  it  this  way , if  I  put  my  hand  in  the tigers  cage  Im  coming  out  with  his  teeth !

[Hoosier Daddy]

the masses have spoken!!!

[CABLEGUY1]

One thing for sure.This thread will probably be removed by morning. It tends to get ugly when you disrespect family members.

[trx#9]

One thing for sure.This thread will probably be removed by morning. It tends to get ugly when you disrespect family members.

Ya your right cableguy but i didn't start the family talk quad32 guy did, read the post back, but i'm the a$$! i must of hurt his feelings i thought he could take a joke i see him giving it out all the time. maybe the moderater will put him in time out.

[Dr.Dirt]

Yeah Quad you danged idiot. You dun made the kitty cat mad!    Geeze, don't take stuff so seriously man.