What do you think of Goerge Bush?

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

Here is the list.

Did you know  
This is verifiable on the Department of Defense Website  
 
47 countries have reestablished their embassies in Iraq  
 
3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 schools are under construction 38 new schools have been built in Iraq  
 
Iraq's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers  
 
25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2004 for the re-established Fulbright program  
 
The Iraq Navy is operational, they have 5- 100 foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a navel infantry regiment.  
 
Iraqs Air Force consists of three operation squadrons, 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft which operate day and night and will soon add UH-1 helicopters and 4 bell jet rangers  
 
Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion  
 
The Iraq Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers  
 
There are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers each 8 weeks  
 
There are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq. They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities  
 
96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations  
 
4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October  
 
There are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraqand phone use has gone up 158%  
 
Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations  
 
The Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004  
 
2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a recent televised debate in their country recently  
 
(OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW)  
WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW? OUR MEDIA WOULD NOT TELL US  
 
Because a Bush- hating media and the Democratic Party would rather see the world blow up than lose their power. Instead of shouting these accomplishments from every rooftop, they would rather show photos of what a few perverted malcontent solders have done in prisons in many cases never disclosing the circumstances surrounding the events. Instead of showing our love for our country, we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib and people throwing snowballs at presidentail motorcades. The lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves only one purpose. It undermines the worlds perception of the United States and our soldiers. I am asshamed of my fellow AMERICANS who would rather see terrorism succeed than have a Republican President.  

First off bombs and perverts on TV get ratings. Has nothing to do with Left or Right Wing. If the news doesn't agree with what the President is saying than does that makes that person a liberal? We need the liberals like we need the conservatives. Believe or not the liberals have done some good including 40 hour weeks instead of 40+, benefits, health insurance, education improvements, etc. Yes they have done bad things also, but I'm sure you have that list more readily available than I.

Reagan learned that if you keep saying the same thing over and over eventually people will believe it to be true. The "Beating Drum" as they called it. "WMD's, WMD's, WMD's!" Appears Reagan was right.

You seem to show what the President has done for Iraq. Well that's great, so great that he does so much for Iraq. What about our troops over there getting sick off rotten Halliburton rations? What about the USA? No money for us because you blew it on the war? Thanks Bush! We are in enough debt as it is, stop spending money we don't have like on the over inflated defense budget which doesn't help our soldiers like they promised, but helps the companies connected to the Administration. I'm sorry, but I have friends in Iraq and it just p*sses me off when I here about sh*t like this. Sometimes from them.

Do you think that our Secret Service escorting out anyone they didn't like (e.g. having a Kerry Bumper sticker on their car or showing voters registration and it better be Republican) for Bush's public appearances is Democracy? If it is then Democracy that I know has changed. This Administration likes to keep us in fear by saying things like "Don't you dare question your leaders or the terrorist will win." or "You toe the line or we will hang you out to dry." and "Those Democrats or now called Liberals (because it has more of a negative effect) are ruining America!" What happened to Democracy? Have we become the little foot soldiers for this Administration?  What happened to questioning your leaders? We put these people in office to represent us, not be above the law.

For those who think this Administration is looking out for us, I say: Wake Up People! This is you and your families future. Support Bush all you want, please, but do not be afraid to question something you see as wrong. I'm sure for some of you this will go in one ear and out the other. Oh well, at least I'm getting more practice at typing

[yunt2ride]

First off bombs and perverts on TV get ratings. Has nothing to do with Left or Right Wing. If the news doesn't agree with what the President is saying than does that makes that person a liberal? We need the liberals like we need the conservatives. Believe or not the liberals have done some good including 40 hour weeks instead of 40+, benefits, health insurance, education improvements, etc. Yes they have done bad things also, but I'm sure you have that list more readily available than I.

Reagan learned that if you keep saying the same thing over and over eventually people will believe it to be true. The "Beating Drum" as they called it. "WMD's, WMD's, WMD's!" Appears Reagan was right.

You seem to show what the President has done for Iraq. Well that's great, so great that he does so much for Iraq. What about our troops over there getting sick off rotten Halliburton rations? What about the USA? No money for us because you blew it on the war? Thanks Bush! We are in enough debt as it is, stop spending money we don't have like on the over inflated defense budget which doesn't help our soldiers like they promised, but helps the companies connected to the Administration. I'm sorry, but I have friends in Iraq and it just p*sses me off when I here about sh*t like this. Sometimes from them.

Do you think that our Secret Service escorting out anyone they didn't like (e.g. having a Kerry Bumper sticker on their car or showing voters registration and it better be Republican) for Bush's public appearances is Democracy? If it is then Democracy that I know has changed. This Administration likes to keep us in fear by saying things like "Don't you dare question your leaders or the terrorist will win." or "You toe the line or we will hang you out to dry." and "Those Democrats or now called Liberals (because it has more of a negative effect) are ruining America!" What happened to Democracy? Have we become the little foot soldiers for this Administration?  What happened to questioning your leaders? We put these people in office to represent us, not be above the law.

For those who think this Administration is looking out for us, I say: Wake Up People! This is you and your families future. Support Bush all you want, please, but do not be afraid to question something you see as wrong. I'm sure for some of you this will go in one ear and out the other. Oh well, at least I'm getting more practice at typing

Your right, In one ear and out the other. Where are the facts.

[SoFlaEiger]

First off bombs and perverts on TV get ratings. Has nothing to do with Left or Right Wing. If the news doesn't agree with what the President is saying than does that makes that person a liberal? We need the liberals like we need the conservatives. Believe or not the liberals have done some good including 40 hour weeks instead of 40+, benefits, health insurance, education improvements, etc. Yes they have done bad things also, but I'm sure you have that list more readily available than I.

Reagan learned that if you keep saying the same thing over and over eventually people will believe it to be true. The "Beating Drum" as they called it. "WMD's, WMD's, WMD's!" Appears Reagan was right.

You seem to show what the President has done for Iraq. Well that's great, so great that he does so much for Iraq. What about our troops over there getting sick off rotten Halliburton rations? What about the USA? No money for us because you blew it on the war? Thanks Bush! We are in enough debt as it is, stop spending money we don't have like on the over inflated defense budget which doesn't help our soldiers like they promised, but helps the companies connected to the Administration. I'm sorry, but I have friends in Iraq and it just p*sses me off when I here about sh*t like this. Sometimes from them.

Do you think that our Secret Service escorting out anyone they didn't like (e.g. having a Kerry Bumper sticker on their car or showing voters registration and it better be Republican) for Bush's public appearances is Democracy? If it is then Democracy that I know has changed. This Administration likes to keep us in fear by saying things like "Don't you dare question your leaders or the terrorist will win." or "You toe the line or we will hang you out to dry." and "Those Democrats or now called Liberals (because it has more of a negative effect) are ruining America!" What happened to Democracy? Have we become the little foot soldiers for this Administration?  What happened to questioning your leaders? We put these people in office to represent us, not be above the law.

For those who think this Administration is looking out for us, I say: Wake Up People! This is you and your families future. Support Bush all you want, please, but do not be afraid to question something you see as wrong. I'm sure for some of you this will go in one ear and out the other. Oh well, at least I'm getting more practice at typing

So because Bush can't balance a budget in a wartime economy and Clinton could (primarily under Reagans plan set forth), that makes Bush a horrible president??  If someone told me "You could have peace on the middle east, or you could have a balanced budget" i'll take peace any day of the week.  If we could stop the fighting in the middle east, that is BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of dollars and resources that we could withdraw and halt sending over to the middle east to defend Israel and other allies over there.

And still, Bush has a good idea to help jumpstart our economy but the liberal sissies in congress won't hear it because it came from a conservative.  I mean, THINK ABOUT IT.  How BRILLIANT is it to offer, AS AN OPTION, the ability to INVEST your Social Security cut into EITHER a private stock, bond, OR U.S. Treasury Bonds (risk-free)  I mean, you jumpstart the economy, you find a way to increase funding for SS and you extend our SS program much further than its anticipated right now.

I still haven't heard a better idea...

[YamahaWarrior350]

Goerge Bush can go back to Texas and stop ripping us off when we fill up for gas.

[SoFlaEiger]

Goerge Bush can go back to Texas and stop ripping us off when we fill up for gas.

Yamahawarrior350 can stop being a dumbass and go back and read something instead of posting the bullshit off the wall bone-headed comment he just posted.

BUSH DOESN'T CONTROL OIL PRICES YOU ASS CLOWN.

Sorry but there's only so many times I, we, can explain this before it gets redundant.

[o4250]

I don't really want to get into this, But no matter what you prove, arguing on the internet will get you no where!!!

[SoFlaEiger]

I don't really want to get into this, But no matter what you prove, arguing on the internet will get you no where!!!

well its actually gotten to the point where we're not arguing but rather debating and talking and i don't mind, but when people come in here and make crass statements with no factual basis WHAT-SO-EVER, it just aggrevates me.

[JeffP]

Holly cow this thread is setting a record.

I love Bush for some of the things he's done and in the same stroke think he's a blooming idiot for other issues that have come about.

I worry his bullying metality isn't going to get us to much further.  We are facing war possiblities against China if Tiwian is invaded.  We face a real threat with North Korea and Iran with Nuculear weapons.  He's not a good negoiator and lets face it we don't have the troops to go into battle against them.  Where does that place our future?

I do like the fact he's addressed the terriorism threat but after 9/11 I'm not sure any other president wouldn't of done the same for our country.   I like the fact he says something to the nation and see's it through, he is a standup guy in that respect.

His ability to help our economy on the other hand sure hasn't been anything to write home about.  Record high deficites and more tax breaks for the wealthy.  Mentioned in USA Today just last week was if he would of withheld the tax breaks for the top 1% of the weathy it would of carried Social Security for at least another 10 years.  That sounds like a pretty easy short term fix to me.  Why give 10 billion in tax cuts when we are strugling with SS and deficits?  It just doesn't make scense.

While on this subject where's a president that can restore morals and values to this country?  What happened to good old family values and common courtesy?  It seems american's have become so consummed with money and greed that everything else has fallen to the side.  

People seem to hate one another instead of help one another.  It seems as though the population at large is just not as friendly or helpful as they were 20-30 years ago.  Even in my neighborhood people are to 'good' to waive as a polite jesture and certainly to busy to help a neighbor out just because.  To busy waxing the new BMW they just purchased.

Speding time with the family and the kids because you enjoy it seems to be a rare quality to find today.  Again our society is to busy making the big buck to think about that.  The only time this country is united is for short periods of time after a crisis.  After that it's back to the norm.

I've certainly noticed the difference from the country life where I'm moving and where I live now in the suburbs.  The people out there are much more friendly, willing to help out at the drop of the hat, you don't have to ask for help with something they just come over and help.  If you need something and they have it they offer it up to help make things easier.  This use to be common almost everywhere but is obviously a lost trade among society.

Sorry for the rambling it's just observations I have noticed lately and really been a sore spot with me.  I think it's something most everyone can relate with.  It would be nice to have a president in the future that could bring some of those qualities back out in Americans.

I've certainly run across some people on here that fit the "old school" way of thinking and still have values that made this country so great.  It's to bad there's just not more of you out there.

Jeff

[timdog]

Under Clinton, didn't we have a cash surplus? oh yeah, Bush gave that away too....I think it was chump change for the masses...


Where'd Clinton get it from...back then the House and Senate were Republican heavy adn they carried on what Bush 1 started (which yielded more $)  I will give ya this...Clinton did save money when the he managed to shut the govt down for 2 weeks.

[mudnuri]

Why is it that when someone does not agree with you, you resort to name calling? I suppose I am an assclown now, too.

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

Holly cow this thread is setting a record.

I love Bush for some of the things he's done and in the same stroke think he's a blooming idiot for other issues that have come about.

I worry his bullying metality isn't going to get us to much further.  We are facing war possiblities against China if Tiwian is invaded.  We face a real threat with North Korea and Iran with Nuculear weapons.  He's not a good negoiator and lets face it we don't have the troops to go into battle against them.  Where does that place our future?

I do like the fact he's addressed the terriorism threat but after 9/11 I'm not sure any other president wouldn't of done the same for our country.   I like the fact he says something to the nation and see's it through, he is a standup guy in that respect.

His ability to help our economy on the other hand sure hasn't been anything to write home about.  Record high deficites and more tax breaks for the wealthy.  Mentioned in USA Today just last week was if he would of withheld the tax breaks for the top 1% of the weathy it would of carried Social Security for at least another 10 years.  That sounds like a pretty easy short term fix to me.  Why give 10 billion in tax cuts when we are strugling with SS and deficits?  It just doesn't make scense.

While on this subject where's a president that can restore morals and values to this country?  What happened to good old family values and common courtesy?  It seems american's have become so consummed with money and greed that everything else has fallen to the side.  

People seem to hate one another instead of help one another.  It seems as though the population at large is just not as friendly or helpful as they were 20-30 years ago.  Even in my neighborhood people are to 'good' to waive as a polite jesture and certainly to busy to help a neighbor out just because.  To busy waxing the new BMW they just purchased.

Speding time with the family and the kids because you enjoy it seems to be a rare quality to find today.  Again our society is to busy making the big buck to think about that.  The only time this country is united is for short periods of time after a crisis.  After that it's back to the norm.

I've certainly noticed the difference from the country life where I'm moving and where I live now in the suburbs.  The people out there are much more friendly, willing to help out at the drop of the hat, you don't have to ask for help with something they just come over and help.  If you need something and they have it they offer it up to help make things easier.  This use to be common almost everywhere but is obviously a lost trade among society.

Sorry for the rambling it's just observations I have noticed lately and really been a sore spot with me.  I think it's something most everyone can relate with.  It would be nice to have a president in the future that could bring some of those qualities back out in Americans.

I've certainly run across some people on here that fit the "old school" way of thinking and still have values that made this country so great.  It's to bad there's just not more of you out there.

Jeff

Excellent post. I believe it reflects what the average America is thinking and feeling.

If you run you'll have my vote.

[YFZ450AndyH]

With all this name calling, it should be interesting to see what the next group ride looks like.  

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

Why is it that when someone does not agree with you, you resort to name calling? I suppose I am an assclown now, too.

Forgive him stolen. He's Republican

You know I'm just messing with you Brian.
I think you have some valid points and I enjoy reading your post. You speak your mind and not copy and paste your points. Gotta respect that.

I can say Bush has done some good. He's doing a good job with terrorism. He's doing a good job claiming resources like oil from abroad and domestic. I try to stay open minded though I'm sure you know which way I lean on Dubya. I Love Bush, just not President Bush
On the same token I see things that the Administration is doing which is wrong. C'mon you must be able to see that these guys are crooks! If we took that much money we would be executed, probably after being tortured. The no-bid contracts for Halliburton (Cheney may have sold his stock, but his family is heavily invested), closed door meetings on Enron, people resigning in masses or fired and then replacing them with their own people which means even if a Democrat or Other got in office they would have a hell of a time removing the replacement because they already have it setup with their network of colleagues to complain to the media and make the new President look bad. This is nothing new, just more finely tuned especially for Rumsfeld and Cheney's long history in the White House, almost 40 years now. The list goes on and on. The Republicans are smart and a tightlipped-camp party, I give them that, but like Clinton they should also be accountable for their actions. I say Praise them for their Accomplishments and make them Responsible for their Mistakes. Is that too much to ask? Is this Animal Farm all over again? I hate to see the "Boxer's" out there blindly and faithfully obeying their master only to be sent off to the slaughter house/ glue factory for all their hard work. They do say History repeats itself and it is. Look, I could go on for days with these issues and you would probably have a rebuttal that is as plausible as my original argument. Almost seems pointless to do this..........but then again it's Politics

On the SS thing: take a good look at the Pozen Plan "Progressive Indexing"  that Bush is proposing. Yes it will jumpstart the initial benefits. I won't argue that. The problem is that it depends partly on the Stock Market not taking a plunge or crashing, the enormous cost of this program and if we keep this plan than you and I, the "Average Joes" get benefit cuts between 6%-28% by the time we retire, not what I'm looking forward to. SS definitely needs help, but isn't there a less costly solution that will ensure our benefits will not drop? One thing is for sure and most Americans agree that SS is not in a major crisis right now. So I say let's take some time and exhaust all our options first!

In my opinion if this SS plan fails then that will be good. Why?, for may reasons, but mainly because this Administration has too much power and know that if they keep beating the drum like they always do, they can get anything they want. I don't think taking away the filibusters from the Democrats because they say no on Bills is reaching out to the party lines. If the American people just tell them "NO!" it gives us back some power, thier free ride is over and forces them to explain themselves more clearly on the issues and not just say because it's in our best interest. Throwing us a bone once in a while and diverting our attention whenever the people question them is not a Government of the people, by the people. They do work for us, don't they?

I'm AMERICAN, born FREE, live FREE and plan on keeping it that WAY!

[SoFlaEiger]

I worry his bullying metality isn't going to get us to much further.  We are facing war possiblities against China if Tiwian is invaded.  We face a real threat with North Korea and Iran with Nuculear weapons.  He's not a good negoiator and lets face it we don't have the troops to go into battle against them.  Where does that place our future?

mark my words: there will not be a war with China.  Far too big of a conflict and there would be SUBSTANTIAL global intervention before it was allowed.  But hey, we could always have bi-lateral talks between China, North Korea and the US while at the same time allowing China the freedom to deal with N. Korea on their own    didn't make sense when Kerry said it either.

I do like the fact he's addressed the terriorism threat but after 9/11 I'm not sure any other president wouldn't of done the same for our country.   I like the fact he says something to the nation and see's it through, he is a standup guy in that respect.

Um...Bill Clinton, February 1993.  What did he do afterwards to thwart terrorism?  He arrested 6 people, wiped his hands, brushed his shoulder and went on patting himself on the back...and what did he do after the attack on the US embassy in 1998 (august i think)?  Bin Laden was held responsible but did we search and search?  Nope.  If we had, maybe 9/11 would be nothing more than a nightmare that we never had.  That right there is quite frankly the reason I am RELIEVED we have a republican president in this time of crisis...one who knows hte importance of protection and one who has a patriotic flame that will never die.

His ability to help our economy on the other hand sure hasn't been anything to write home about.  Record high deficites and more tax breaks for the wealthy.  Mentioned in USA Today just last week was if he would of withheld the tax breaks for the top 1% of the weathy it would of carried Social Security for at least another 10 years.  That sounds like a pretty easy short term fix to me.  Why give 10 billion in tax cuts when we are strugling with SS and deficits?  It just doesn't make scense.

the tax cuts were an attempt to jumpstart the economy.  If you cut taxes for the wealthy (typically the business owners), that money gets recirculated down to the employee's, the company itself and advancements in the company.  If you impose more taxes on big business, then you end up with decreased wages and tighter spending.

10 years is jack sh*t with SS...sorry but its true.  We could have one huge orgy in the US and that 10 year surplus turns into a 2 year overdraft.  Bottom line is SS sucks and it should be privately invested if they want to.  The tax cut theory is irrelevant and would end up doing more harm than good.  The conservative may look out for big business, but who do you think watches out for the little guys (employees).

While on this subject where's a president that can restore morals and values to this country?  What happened to good old family values and common courtesy?  It seems american's have become so consummed with money and greed that everything else has fallen to the side.  

Bush doesn't restore morality and values??  Gimme some of the sh*t you're smoking!!

People seem to hate one another instead of help one another.  It seems as though the population at large is just not as friendly or helpful as they were 20-30 years ago.  Even in my neighborhood people are to 'good' to waive as a polite jesture and certainly to busy to help a neighbor out just because.  To busy waxing the new BMW they just purchased.

i agree with you 100% here.  I love the southern lifestyle where everyone is friendly with everyone...and god do i miss it.  SW Ranches is the closest thing down here and even that is a distant second to a majorly populated 'southern' city.

[SoFlaEiger]

Why is it that when someone does not agree with you, you resort to name calling? I suppose I am an assclown now, too.

no, you're not.  but when people can't take the time to read and still resort to ignorant blabbering, then ya, they're stupid.  If he would take 5 minutes and read some of the links i've posted, Bush doesn't have as much control over oil as everyone thinks.  and oil is on its way down right now.  It finally fell below $50 a barrel i believe...

[450R_Matt]

If people would take half the time they spent on this topic and wright a letter to your Governor and complain about what few riding areas we have. We might get some new riding area's. My .02

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

no, you're not.  but when people can't take the time to read and still resort to ignorant blabbering, then ya, they're stupid.  If he would take 5 minutes and read some of the links i've posted, Bush doesn't have as much control over oil as everyone thinks.  and oil is on its way down right now.  It finally fell below $50 a barrel i believe...

I'll have to agree with SoFlaEiger on this. Bush isn't the only controlling factor. It's the Oil Companies and the inflated stock that mainly drive up prices from what I can tell, but who knows. The strange thing is when gas was at 50+ dollars a barrel OPEC was reporting that they were pumping at full capacity. Bush isn't the main reason even though most of America thinks he is so I understand your post Yamahawarrior350. Don't forget there are people with much more power and influence than Bush in this Country.

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

If people would take half the time they spent on this topic and wright a letter to your Governor and complain about what few riding areas we have. We might get some new riding area's. My .02

The governor is not going to listen to us on this. We have to work up the ladder. Read my thread in the Open Discussion about ATV'n on TV on Florida. This may be our meal ticket

[450R_Matt]

The governor is not going to listen to us on this. We have to work up the ladder. Read my thread in the Open Discussion about ATV'n on TV on Florida. This may be our meal ticket

93 Replies in 5 days? I bet if you say your not going to Vote him in next turm if something dosnt happen they will listen. 900 + views on this topic. People need to direct their words to where it counts.

[Seabee]

I'm surprised by the number of die-hard liberals that have posted, especially since we all ride. 95% or more of the liberals in office hate ATV's and anything to do with them.

[JeffP]

mark my words: there will not be a war with China.  Far too big of a conflict and there would be SUBSTANTIAL global intervention before it was allowed.  But hey, we could always have bi-lateral talks between China, North Korea and the US while at the same time allowing China the freedom to deal with N. Korea on their own    didn't make sense when Kerry said it either.

What intervention, from whom?  It would be the only two major powers in the world at war with one another, noone would step in the middle of that.  North Korea's issues seem everything to do with us (demorocy) and nothing to do with China's communism rule.  I wouldn't hold out hoping they are going to come to our rescue.

Um...Bill Clinton, February 1993.  What did he do afterwards to thwart terrorism?  He arrested 6 people, wiped his hands, brushed his shoulder and went on patting himself on the back...and what did he do after the attack on the US embassy in 1998 (august i think)?  Bin Laden was held responsible but did we search and search?  Nope.  If we had, maybe 9/11 would be nothing more than a nightmare that we never had.  That right there is quite frankly the reason I am RELIEVED we have a republican president in this time of crisis...one who knows hte importance of protection and one who has a patriotic flame that will never die.

What did Bush do to stop 9/11?  My point being it's easy to bash someone after the fact.  How many people will bash Bush if we get hit with another terroist attack after all the US lives have been lost?  After all 9/11 was 10 years in the making.

the tax cuts were an attempt to jumpstart the economy.  If you cut taxes for the wealthy (typically the business owners), that money gets recirculated down to the employee's, the company itself and advancements in the company.  If you impose more taxes on big business, then you end up with decreased wages and tighter spending.

I know exactly what the tax cuts were suppose to do.  The top 1% aren't buiness owners but rather CEO's of major corporations or the like.  The tax cuts they took on thier income would have very little if any play on the employment situation.  Now tax cuts for businesses I would agree with you on.

10 years is jack sh*t with SS...sorry but its true.  We could have one huge orgy in the US and that 10 year surplus turns into a 2 year overdraft.  Bottom line is SS sucks and it should be privately invested if they want to.  The tax cut theory is irrelevant and would end up doing more harm than good.  The conservative may look out for big business, but who do you think watches out for the little guys (employees).

I don't know who is watching out for us?  We are the first to get laid off, the least likely to have excess savings if we are let go, and see the least benifit from income tax cuts.  I've yet to see any president yet who has put any substantial money in my pocket.

Bush doesn't restore morality and values??  Gimme some of the sh*t you're smoking!!

I sure don't see him spending time with his family or embarcing american's to put family first.  If family and moral values were high on his list you would see him talk more about it.  Not that Clinton was a good role model for american citizens.  He was real for the times but not a  example of what a family man should be.

i agree with you 100% here.  I love the southern lifestyle where everyone is friendly with everyone...and god do i miss it.  SW Ranches is the closest thing down here and even that is a distant second to a majorly populated 'southern' city.

LOL at least we agree 100% on some level.  It's alright though as americans we have the right to our opinion and not be critized for it.  I certainly respect your opinion and hope you do mine.

Jeff

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

I'm surprised by the number of die-hard liberals that have posted, especially since we all ride. 95% or more of the liberals in office hate ATV's and anything to do with them.

I would agree Liberals, Treehuggers, Rainbow People, PETA, etc. are not generally going to be ATV riders, but I don't necessarily believe that disagreeing with our President makes them liberal from what I've I read in this post. Questioning a person that is in charge of our life and freedom is just being human. Realistically Liberals are in the same boat as Right Wing Conservatives (Chickenhawks) in my book, but everyone is entitled to their views in this country even if they seem crazy [smiley=Confused.gif]

[SoFlaEiger]

What intervention, from whom?  It would be the only two major powers in the world at war with one another, noone would step in the middle of that.  North Korea's issues seem everything to do with us (demorocy) and nothing to do with China's communism rule.  I wouldn't hold out hoping they are going to come to our rescue.

The UN for one would do everything in their power to settle differences diplomatically.  And with all the weight we're gaining in the middle east, war would be stupid.  Like I said, I highly doubt we'll goto war with China.  I think both leaders would do everything they could to avoid it...it could easily lead to the end of the world !!!

What did Bush do to stop 9/11?  My point being it's easy to bash someone after the fact.  How many people will bash Bush if we get hit with another terroist attack after all the US lives have been lost?  After all 9/11 was 10 years in the making.

Well, you kinda contradicted yourself here.  If 9/11 was 10 years in the making (which its been proven it was) how was Bush supposed to prevent it and why didn't prevention begin with Clinton?  And I wasn't referring to the inability to PREVENT it but rather the lack of effort spent on trying to bring those responsible to justice.  Clinton did very little and left those who were responsible at large and gave them the ability to plan another attack against us.

I sure don't see him spending time with his family or embarcing american's to put family first.  If family and moral values were high on his list you would see him talk more about it.  Not that Clinton was a good role model for american citizens.  He was real for the times but not a  example of what a family man should be.

Wow I can't believe you say that...His relationship with Mrs. Bush is amazing.  It's one that most americans should mirror as best they could.  His love for his daughters has been made apparent many times.  He has stood through them through the "stupid" things that all teenage and 20-somethin year old girls go through.  He's a very moral man, a man of God in my opinion and I think he sets a great example as to what a family man should be.

LOL at least we agree 100% on some level.  It's alright though as americans we have the right to our opinion and not be critized for it.  I certainly respect your opinion and hope you do mine.

Jeff

[JeffP]

Wow talk about impeckable timing.  So much for the republican's keeping riding land for OHV'rs.  Some how the recreational use woln't be what we see from this.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-05-forest-roads_x.htm

[TRX350_On_The_Rack]

Wow talk about impeckable timing.  So much for the republican's keeping riding land for OHV'rs.  Some how the recreational use woln't be what we see from this.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-05-forest-roads_x.htm

Yeah, gotta love Bush's  "leave no tree behind" plan. Those d*mn good for nothing trees. What have they ever done for us? Can you tell I'm being sarcastic

On a serious note being to Oregon I was so mad to see all the logging. It's such a shame when people see the dollar over nature.