Walsh Racecraft 6 Hour Team XC Race Chat

[stag4]

sounds good, loved the last 1! just a question/suggestion on the classes though...Paul you might remember us, we come up with bill (hitman) I have a Honda dirtbike, my cousin has a Honda 4 wheeler...and our only issue last race was the classes, we are beginners at racing but experience i guess with riding in general, so when we entered in, and won the fun/family/beginner class we were called "sandbaggers" and what not...yet if we entered the offered "combo class" we would have gotten destroyed by Team Walsh Racecraft, who won overall and dropped the fastest lap times in the race...so i am just suggesting maybe a combo A and combo B or something along those lines, therefore teams like Walsh Racecraft can race and actually compete with other combo teams of their level in the Combo A, and teams like us intermediate 1s can actually compete with each other in the Combo B...there fore no one in the fun/family/beginner is getting stomped on by intermediate rideres, and neither is anyone in the combo class by very fast and experienced riders...just a suggestion though, i don't know if you even planned on running a combo class this time, but look forward to seeing you at this race, motoplex is my favorite place to ride  

[Chillinthemost]

I think a entry into the fun/family/beginner class should not have any (450 class) race bikes on the team. They should be UTEs or 400cc and below.
  If the turnout gets big enough then I'm sure more classes could be added.

[stag4]

I think a entry into the fun/family/beginner class should not have any (450 class) race bikes on the team. They should be UTEs or 400cc and below.
  If the turnout gets big enough then I'm sure more classes could be added.

yes that would make sense, i dont know if you were at the last race, but there was enough turn out for a "combo" class to be added so there was, but there was a very advanced team in that "combo" class so intermediate/beginner teams like us couldnt even stand a chance in that class...just a sugestion though, because my cousin and i, who i race with are both beginners at racing, but we were called "sandbaggers" and stuff at the last race, so I dont want that to happen again, nor do i want to be in a class that we dont stand a chance

[Chillinthemost]

Beginners at racing and beginners at riding are not the same thing.
 It is tough only having 3 classes for quads because I am definatly not a beginner but my old arse cant run with the pros either so I'll see you in intermedate. 

[Paul_S]

Hey Stag, how you guys doing?

More riders = more classes.

[stag4]

Hey Stag, how you guys doing?

More riders = more classes.

good and yourself?
but okay, sounds good cant wait for the race 

[DALEQUAD]

why is the pro-am class entry $100 and everyone else $50  ??
is there a payout for that class??

[Paul_S]

why is the pro-am class entry $100 and everyone else $50  ??
is there a payout for that class??

See above flyer 

[Shawn]

I might just have to enter in the pro am and bring home da bacon

[oooooh]

 
 
yes that would make sense, i dont know if you were at the last race, but there was enough turn out for a "combo" class to be added so there was, but there was a very advanced team in that "combo" class so intermediate/beginner teams like us couldnt even stand a chance in that class...just a sugestion though, because my cousin and i, who i race with are both beginners at racing, but we were called "sandbaggers" and stuff at the last race, so I dont want that to happen again, nor do i want to be in a class that we dont stand a chance
[/quote]

I wouldnt worry about people calling ya'll sandbaggers. I dont think any of the teams knew what clas to run. there arent enough classes to split  people into equal speeds. I think the turnout would be better if there were more organization, like starting on time and actually running 6 hours on a course that the length is what is statedon the flyer.Im thinking also that people are not wanting to run a 20 mile lap. the last one was only 11.8 mile according to my GPS. and it didn't change distance on any of the laps I ran

[Paul_S]

 
yes that would make sense, i dont know if you were at the last race, but there was enough turn out for a "combo" class to be added so there was, but there was a very advanced team in that "combo" class so intermediate/beginner teams like us couldnt even stand a chance in that class...just a sugestion though, because my cousin and i, who i race with are both beginners at racing, but we were called "sandbaggers" and stuff at the last race, so I dont want that to happen again, nor do i want to be in a class that we dont stand a chance

I wouldnt worry about people calling ya'll sandbaggers. I dont think any of the teams knew what clas to run. there arent enough classes to split  people into equal speeds. I think the turnout would be better if there were more organization, like starting on time and actually running 6 hours on a course that the length is what is statedon the flyer.Im thinking also that people are not wanting to run a 20 mile lap. the last one was only 11.8 mile according to my GPS. and it didn't change distance on any of the laps I ran
[/quote]

I don't think too many people didn't attend because they knew the race was going to start 24 minutes late. Course size point is well taken though. Shawn and myself ran that course on a rhino the night before and clocked it at 19.8 miles. I have heard 7 different mileages from 7 different people since then. I am not saying you are wrong, you may well be right. We used that particular course layout by mileage estimates and we could have been off. Next one, I will use a little more of the park.

There was 14 teams and 6 classes.

The reason a couple of people were unsure of which class to run is that they are first time racers and or first time racing on a team.

[bseckel]

to me the 11.8 mile's sounds about right. I didnt think it was 20. miles but that really didnt matter the course was AWSOME and I am sure that paul and crew will make another great course for the 6 hr in Jan. I dont think that there needs to be classes broken up to combo or Bike/ quad classes. At the last SSQSA race I started a row in front of the Dirt bikes and he couldnt catch me. I dont think it matters bike or quad. It depends on the rider.

[Shawn]

How about keeping it simple
quad pro am. A, B, C
bike Pro am, A, B, C
Utility

[duroc825]

How about keeping it simple
quad pro am. A, B, C
bike Pro am, A, B, C
Utility

There ya go! You ole MX guys do have some smarts huh?
How bout this:
Quad AA, A, B, C (all open cc's)- 2 rows
Bike AA, A, B, C- 1 row
Utility & Junior (14-16 yo) if needed- 1 row
For a total of 4 rows
Similar format seems to work good for other Florida series.

[Paul_S]

How about keeping it simple
quad pro am. A, B, C
bike Pro am, A, B, C
Utility

There ya go! You ole MX guys do have some smarts huh?
How bout this:
Quad AA, A, B, C (all open cc's)- 2 rows
Bike AA, A, B, C- 1 row
Utility & Junior (14-16 yo) if needed- 1 row
For a total of 4 rows
Similar format seems to work good for other Florida series.

Classes are updated on the following link: http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,40601.msg450265.html#msg450265

[Motoplex_Hitman]

I saw the new classes, but what about the mixed, Bike & Quad?

[Shawn]

I saw the new classes, but what about the mixed, Bike & Quad?

With only needing 2 riders per team it should be easy to make a same machine team. If you have a bike/quad team vs a quad team or 2 bike team you will have people say that it is not fair. Its not a highly practiced thing anywhere for that matter.

[400exhonda]

SOUNDS FUN PAUL WE WILL SEE WHAT ME AND MATT CAN DO

[Chillinthemost]

400's and below after a season of racing in that class you should have to move up to next class i get whole shot at every start but i know when i move up next year i will be around more riders and challenges

I dont see where there is a 400 and below class.

  I do think though that the winner in beginner should have to move up to C next race. Winner of B up to A.  I understand not knowing where to start but after a race the lap times tell where you should be.

[Motoplex_Hitman]

I saw the new classes, but what about the mixed, Bike & Quad?

With only needing 2 riders per team it should be easy to make a same machine team. If you have a bike/quad team vs a quad team or 2 bike team you will have people say that it is not fair. Its not a highly practiced thing anywhere for that matter.

Understand, but I can think of 2 cases for my point. The wife has a quad & I will ride the bike. Plus, my friends that come up are cousins & 1 is on a quad while the other is on a bike.

[Chillinthemost]

I saw the new classes, but what about the mixed, Bike & Quad?

With only needing 2 riders per team it should be easy to make a same machine team. If you have a bike/quad team vs a quad team or 2 bike team you will have people say that it is not fair. Its not a highly practiced thing anywhere for that matter.

Understand, but I can think of 2 cases for my point. The wife has a quad & I will ride the bike. Plus, my friends that come up are cousins & 1 is on a quad while the other is on a bike.

 You just solved your own problem. You race with one of the cousins and your wife races with one.

[Motoplex_Hitman]

Not gonna happen.

[400exhonda]

CHILLINTHEMOST I MEANT AFTER A SEASON NOT JUST ONE RACE WICH IS A YEAR  BUT I SEE WHAT YOUR SAYING GUESS PAUL WILL HAVE A CHALLENGE ON THIS ONE

[flahondafam]

to me the 11.8 mile's sounds about right. I didnt think it was 20. miles but that really didnt matter the course was AWSOME and I am sure that paul and crew will make another great course for the 6 hr in Jan. I dont think that there needs to be classes broken up to combo or Bike/ quad classes. At the last SSQSA race I started a row in front of the Dirt bikes and he couldnt catch me. I dont think it matters bike or quad. It depends on the rider.

Like brian said it doesn't matter the rider makes the difference not a dirt bike or quad

[greenmachine]

Ya'll are just lucky I dont bring the old KFX400 up there!!!!!!