PR2 Throttle body spacer question

[HolyLandMan]

i have a 08 civic si v-tec. And i wanna make it even quicker than it already is. so im getting skunk2 full exhaust, injen CAI, and a throttle body spacer. the spacer is only $70 bucks and says it adds 5 hp to the wheels, i know how it works and everything but i was wondering if anyone had anything good/bad to say about them.

[GENERAL-Z]

i have a 08 civic si v-tec. And i wanna make it even quicker than it already is. so im getting skunk2 full exhaust, injen CAI, and a throttle body spacer. the spacer is only $70 bucks and says it adds 5 hp to the wheels, i know how it works and everything but i was wondering if anyone had anything good/bad to say about them.

[Chevy1500z71]

throttle body spacers don't do anything. the idea is from a carb spacer, which gives the fuel and air more time to mix/atomize. but on a multi port injection system, your throttle body is dry and the fuel is injected directly at the end of the manifold. so spacing the throttle body away from the manifold does just about nothing.

[Chevy1500z71]

i have a 08 civic si v-tec. And i wanna make it even quicker than it already is.

are we talking 15 second quick? lol 

[Chillinthemost]

Buy 4 of them, then you would get a 20hp increase.

[Anoriginal]

Better yet, sell it and buy something that has the ability to be made quick. I'd reccomend a 1987 Ford LTD four door. It's already going to be much faster than the rice burner and much cheaper.

[HolyLandMan]

wow guys, all of you are haters. I had a 2002 silverado with a 5.3. Vortec heads, bully dog chip, K&N CAI, super 44 series flowmaster that would woop mustangs and SRT8 chargers with mods, but have you seen gas prices. it cost $90 to fill up, and my mom bought me the honda that smokes mustang GTs and a hole bunch of other thing, and still gets 33 mpg and cost $30 bucks. plus its not a (RICER) its a well build curve carver that will out last, handle, and beat any chevy, ford, or piece dodgethat have less than 1k invested. even though im a chevy kid i like this car and would chose it over any car. it my baby so go burn that gas haters. 

[Chevy1500z71]

wow guys, all of you are haters. I had a 2002 silverado with a 5.3. Vortec heads, bully dog chip, K&N CAI, super 44 series flowmaster that would woop mustangs and SRT8 chargers with mods, but have you seen gas prices. it cost $90 to fill up, and my mom bought me the honda that smokes mustang GTs and a hole bunch of other thing, and still gets 33 mpg and cost $30 bucks. plus its not a (RICER) its a well build curve carver that will out last, handle, and beat any chevy, ford, or piece dodgethat have less than 1k invested. even though im a chevy kid i like this car and would chose it over any car. it my baby so go burn that gas haters. 

gas millage is a good reason.. but whoop mustang gts? thats a stretch, in fact, id bet my heavy ass truck on 35" tires will spank a civic si... no offense, its cool that your trying to save gas, just dont try and tell us its fast lol

o yea, and a 5.3 is an ls based engine, i dont know what your refering to when you say it had vortec heads? and does bully dog make gasser chips too now? they were crappy enough with diesel tuning 

[crom A zone]

i got an f1   that will give u a run for the money

[HolyLandMan]

still hatin. i can hit 133mph in fith gear. the si isnt your regular civic you know. Vortec makes aftermarket heads there were $1300. and yes bully dog does make a chip and it added 32hp and 26ftp of torque on the dyno

[derek330]

i have tuned many honda's and i can tell you the TB spacer is a crock.  the next thing you need to do is have it tuned.  hondata can mod your ECU to be flashed with their program. if you are serious about it shoot me a PM. i usually do my tuning in tallahassee. it will get you more power and better gas mileage. also getting a GOOD header really helps the K motors. but wont do you any good if you don't have a way to tune the
ECU first.

i would be careful about claiming won races. you are jumping into a pool of sharks there.

[svtbolt04]

still hatin. i can hit 133mph in fith gear. the si isnt your regular civic you know. Vortec makes aftermarket heads there were $1300. and yes bully dog does make a chip and it added 32hp and 26ftp of torque on the dyno

My lightning hit 147 in 4th.

While weighing a little under 1800lbs more. Hauling a quad...with the a/c on.

[Chevy1500z71]

my truck will hit 98mph in 3rd lol, i wouldn't want to push the tires further, altho i have my limiter set at 120 right now... its still just a pickup, and your car is still just a ricer. top speed dont mean anything especially when the civic takes about all day to get to 148, proves next to nothing.

sorry to call you out on the heads, the stock heads are so good on that truck i havnt really heard of many people changing them, i bet that was a pretty quick truck.

[Anoriginal]

i have tuned many honda's and i can tell you the TB spacer is a crock.  the next thing you need to do is have it tuned.  hondata can mod your ECU to be flashed with their program. if you are serious about it shoot me a PM. i usually do my tuning in tallahassee. it will get you more power and better gas mileage. also getting a GOOD header really helps the K motors. but wont do you any good if you don't have a way to tune the
ECU first.

i would be careful about claiming won races. you are jumping into a pool of sharks there.

Yeah, it's always funny when people make claims thinking nobody here knows anything about drag racing. I was very serious in it at one time and had a very nice Street Renegade class Mustang. Even traveled a bit to race from time to time. Miss it, but priorities are much different these days.

[klutchbuster400]

My dad and I both have 1500's ext cab, he has the 5.3 and I have the 4.7. I haven't gone over 80 in it for the pure fact thats it's pretty retarded to do so out on the open road. I'm thinking about taking it to a strip soon though. I want to run it against my dad's 5.3 since my truck feels quicker. It might just be the dual flowmasters I have, or the 18 year old ambition that my truck is better then whatever I feel like, but I think I can take it

I'm not a fan of the civic's honestly. It just seems like you could get something faster for cheaper ya know?

[Chevy1500z71]

My dad and I both have 1500's ext cab, he has the 5.3 and I have the 4.7. I haven't gone over 80 in it for the pure fact thats it's pretty retarded to do so out on the open road. I'm thinking about taking it to a strip soon though. I want to run it against my dad's 5.3 since my truck feels quicker. It might just be the dual flowmasters I have, or the 18 year old ambition that my truck is better then whatever I feel like, but I think I can take it

I'm not a fan of the civic's honestly. It just seems like you could get something faster for cheaper ya know?

the civic thing puzzles me becasue its like, who would start with a 90hp econobox and say "lets make it a hotrod!" you could say the same about a big heavy pickup truck, but they come with a beefy v8 drive train. just how i look at it. if it weren't for the fast and the furious movie ricers wouldn't be huge lol. iv never seen a ricer guy who has any real technical knowledge, and holylandman, i wouldn't consider you a ricer guy, you just seem like you dont want to pay for something that gets 8mpg like myself when you could be getting 30mph and still have a car that gets out of its own way. im probably the fool for insisting on needing a truck like mine.

kluchbuster, get a tuner and your 4.8 should be able to take your dads 5.3... now if he gets a tuner and an exhaust, no chance lol. unless maybe his is 2wd and youv got 4x4? idk if youd have any issues spinning the tires anyways tho...

i think you would be extremely surprised what a hand held tuner does for those newer gm trucks, the torque management makes m moms 400hp trailblazer ss feel like a turd...

so the thread has gone from throttle body spacers to truck talk lol

[klutchbuster400]

Yeah I know exactly what you're saying about making a civic a hot rod lol.

Nah my chevy is a 2x4. My old truck was a 94 1500 4x4, a 350 v8 with dual exhaust as well sitting, on a 3" body lift with 33's. That thing was MEAN, and quick as heck. I would have put that truck against a sports car anyday.
My current 1500 spins the tires too easily, but I think thats mostly due to the stockers it has. I've never actually sat there burning out, but the tires spin like crazy sometimes when I step on the pedal a bit too hard when I'm sitting at a light or a stop sign.

[Chevy1500z71]

that old 350 of your was slower, but it will feel a ton beter becasue they have no torque managment, and they make tons of torque, the hp is pethetic, at about 210 at a red line of 4200rpm, mainly they just had the worlds wipyest cam specs, but something around 300ftlbs of toque. if you get a tuner and get rida torque management on the 4.8 you got i bet it will feel as good or beter than the old 350, it will more than likely outrun it. does your 4.8 have a locker? check the glovebox for the g80 code.

[klutchbuster400]

Wow I always thought it was faster since it felt like it had so much more power. I'm not sure on the locker, I'll have to check and get back to ya.

[HolyLandMan]

my truck will hit 98mph in 3rd lol, i wouldn't want to push the tires further, altho i have my limiter set at 120 right now... its still just a pickup, and your car is still just a ricer. top speed dont mean anything especially when the civic takes about all day to get to 148, proves next to nothing.

sorry to call you out on the heads, the stock heads are so good on that truck i havnt really heard of many people changing them, i bet that was a pretty quick truck.

hey look here we have are self a funny guy. if my car was a (ricer) right, you would have no problem beating me right. so you wanna make your way down to moroso one day, and ill show you how little civics get down.

[Chevy1500z71]

only reason i say id beat you is becasue i would imagine my truck runs anywhere from a low to mid 14 second 1/4 mile, not lightening fast, good for 35" tires. and i know a civic si runs about a low 15 second 1/4 mile. im not just assuming i have to win becasue its a ricer. for the most part, pickups and ricers are in about the same territory of slowness, pickups are normally a bit faster stock, the average ricer id say is in the 17-18 second range, id say the average pickup is in the 16 second range. a 15 second ricer, imo is a fast ricer. your civic si is fast... for a civic.

kluch, just look in your glovebox for the g80 code. honestly, your better off without it, they are known for blowing up and/or just not working very well. one wheel peel is better than 2 wheels right before the rear end goes boom.

and yea, your old body style 350 tbi truck you had was probably a good bit slower lol, you wouldnt know it becasue its got so much more grunt way down low, but when it comes to a drag race, they make very little hp and they shift at like 4000rpms, the newer trucks have a much more broad rpm range and really scream on top, they do much better with a higher stall torque converter and taller gears. a 5.3 with a 2800rpm converter, 4.10 gears and a cam will blow the doors off of a lightening, the ls based chevys are very well equipped trucks, they come with a very good starting point, one of the reasons im such a big chevy fan, becasue ford doesn't give you a whole lot to work with as far as the motor goes.

[klutchbuster400]

Do the 4.8's LS based as well? I ask because mine has the ls label on it.

[Chevy1500z71]

Do the 4.8's LS based as well? I ask because mine has the ls label on it.

ls is just your interior trim package lol. by ls based i mean the motor is based off of the ls1 design. first there was the regular small block chevy, like what your 94 had, then the ls1 camaro came out, which evolved into the ls2, all the new truck motors are based off of this designm, and the 6.0 is the exact same motor that was in the base model corvets for years with a diferent intake manifold and cam setup for more torque. the ls based engine just has really good flowing stock heads and a really good multi port injection system. the whole motor is just superior in every way to the old small block chevys in stock trim. once you start to understand what you ger with a chevy, you will understand why the 5.4 triton and hemi make me laugh compared to what chevy gives you. the 4.8 is a good motor, the joe gibs silverado had a 4.8 with a roots supercharger with about 8lbs of boost and it will run with a lightening which also has 8lbs of boost, but ford uses there bigest engine package where chevy only needs the little guy to compete, becasue if they gave you a 6.0 with 8lbs of boost it would out do the corvet in hp ratings... both the new ls based chevy smallblock and the old small blocks you got in the older trucks are awesome engines and the after market for them is just uncomparable. if your a gearhead, you know chevy is where its at, but thats just my opinion

sorry to sound like a salesman for chevy, i cant help it...

[HolyLandMan]

so you think your truck would beat my car. the new civics aren't ricers any more, when u think of a ricer you probably think of a car with a huge spoiler, body kit, loud exhaust and when u punch it it sounds like your going an  100mph faster than it really is. but whatever you can think whatever you want cause i know for a fact your truck even with a super charger wouldn't even be a close race, because id totally own your life of the start than you would never catch me in a drag race.

[Chevy1500z71]

so you think your truck would beat my car. the new civics aren't ricers any more, when u think of a ricer you probably think of a car with a huge spoiler, body kit, loud exhaust and when u punch it it sounds like your going an  100mph faster than it really is. but whatever you can think whatever you want cause i know for a fact your truck even with a super charger wouldn't even be a close race, because id totally own your life of the start than you would never catch me in a drag race.

thats funny, i would think your car would do much better on the second half of the track. my truck is all torque, and with 4.56 gears, a locker, 4x4, and about 450 pound feet of torque at a very low rpm with a 1500stall converter, not much gets me out of the hole.

im running this motor pretty much at its limits right now with about 13pounds of boost, i run it up to 5300rpms, and i spray methanol. im gonna be building a 383 stroker motor for it in the future, so i put this motor through hell. all of its power is on boost really, and im not proud of that, boost is horse opower life support lol, i need a cam and heads before i can make some real power

[HolyLandMan]

w.e i got to give it to ya for having a nice truck, if i had the money for gas, payments and insurance id get a bad to the bone diesel truck. preferably a 2500HD Duramax with double-stacked chips, CAI, and 8inch duel stacks on 35s. but hey im saving up for one when i get older, but for now a civic si is the best i could do for a 17 year old lol

[Yamaha72]

No effing way you were even close to a *STOCK* SRT8 Charger with your 5.3... My roomate has a '01 silverado 5.3 dual 40 series, superchips flashpaq tuner, K&N CAI, and tranny work.... Thing won't even make it into the 15-sec range, it pulls like 16.1-16.0. Stock SRT's run at 13.1-13.2.... I'll show you whats up in my dads hhhhwwwhiippp, '07 mazdaspeed 3, say a 40 roll..

Oh and to answer your question, TB spacers suck a lot, they are proven for a 5whp loss on my trucks motor.

[Chevy1500z71]

No effing way you were even close to a *STOCK* SRT8 Charger with your 5.3... My roomate has a '01 silverado 5.3 dual 40 series, superchips flashpaq tuner, K&N CAI, and tranny work.... Thing won't even make it into the 15-sec range, it pulls like 16.1-16.0. Stock SRT's run at 13.1-13.2.... I'll show you whats up in my dads hhhhwwwhiippp, '07 mazdaspeed 3, say a 40 roll..

Oh and to answer your question, TB spacers suck a lot, they are proven for a 5whp loss on my trucks motor.

first of all, superchips, as well as almost any handheld tuner besides diablosport plain out sucks(with superchips being one of the owrst, next to hyperjunk), second of all your budys truck sounds basicaly stock to me and third of all your not giving us any specs, of course its gonna be slow if its a crew cab long bed with an open diff and 245 pizza cutters. dont make such an ignorant statement to just say its slow without giving any specs. there is more potential to be had in that truck than almost any other truck on the road besides maybe the rare chance of a 6.0 in a half ton. put a cam in that sucker with a good tune, maybe a biger throttle body and a trailblazer ss intake manifold and your looking at 450+ hp truck. do that with your 5.4 or dodge hemi 

but in your defense, i can see where your coming from, he is making some ridiculous claims of what he beats, but he said the truck had heads, sounds to me like that truck had to have alot done to it to be at the point were it would need heads.

[HolyLandMan]

yea what he said. if you were not in the truck with me dont be calling me a liar.

[Anoriginal]

I'm telling you...a late 1980's LTD!!!! That's pure gold baby!

[Yamaha72]

[/quote]
first of all, superchips, as well as almost any handheld tuner besides diablosport plain out sucks(with superchips being one of the owrst, next to hyperjunk), second of all your budys truck sounds basicaly stock to me and third of all your not giving us any specs, of course its gonna be slow if its a crew cab long bed with an open diff and 245 pizza cutters. dont make such an ignorant statement to just say its slow without giving any specs. there is more potential to be had in that truck than almost any other truck on the road besides maybe the rare chance of a 6.0 in a half ton. put a cam in that sucker with a good tune, maybe a biger throttle body and a trailblazer ss intake manifold and your looking at 450+ hp truck. do that with your 5.4 or dodge hemi 

but in your defense, i can see where your coming from, he is making some ridiculous claims of what he beats, but he said the truck had heads, sounds to me like that truck had to have alot done to it to be at the point were it would need heads.
[/quote]

I am fully aware that superchips do suck a lot.... My buddys truck is basically stock except for what I listed: True dual Flowmaster 40-series, Edelbrock stainless headers{forgot to mention}, K&N CAI, Airaid throttle body spaecer!, 285-tires but the diff is an open junker, the tuner and Tranny work..  Dude your not touching an SRT anything.... Sorry..

[Chevy1500z71]

hahaha, yea, hes not touching an srt anything becasue you said so, regardless of what he had done to the truck! you guys crack me up.

[Yamaha72]

hahaha, yea, hes not touching an srt anything becasue you said so, regardless of what he had done to the truck! you guys crack me up.

Vortec is factory chevy.. at least I think so. Anyway the highest "SRT" time is the truck which runs a 13.5ish if not lower... Dude come on your just standing up cause your a chevy dude, and I not saying that to start anything but its not physically possible for holeylandman to beat srt8's unless he had more extensive mods.. 

[Chevy1500z71]

thats not what im saying, what im getting at is that his truck did have extensive mods, he never really got into very much details so your no one to judge what he had done to it. vortec is just what chevy calls their motors, vortec is also an after market company. honestly, iv never heard of people putting heads on a 5.3, becasue the stock ones are so good. but if he really did have after market heads, trust me, that truck had EXTENSIVE mods. probably had a big cam, but who knows, could be close to stock. the point is, you are judging it off of nothing, and thats what im getting at, im not just standing up for chevy, becasue  a truck with just a tuner and intake and exhaust will only run about a 15 if its setup real good, with a good tuner, single cab short bed, ect.

[Yamaha72]

True, I just based it off of what I read in his initial post.. BTW Vortech is strictly a forced-induction after market manufacturer... i.e. centrifugal superchargers.

[Chevy1500z71]

True, I just based it off of what I read in his initial post.. BTW Vortech is strictly a forced-induction after market manufacturer... i.e. centrifugal superchargers.

yea, thats what i was thinking, idk what hes talking about with the vortec heads... he doesnt seem like he knows much about it, thats why its hard to say what it really had done to it.

[EigerGuy]

you civic racer guys make me lol

anyways the whole point of a TB spacer in this senario is to keep intake temps down there for increasing power, and if u want to go that far u might as well get the whole intake mani spacer kit


edit* and if im not mistaken its P2R(PowerRevRacing) not PR2

[HolyLandMan]

there is such thing as Vortec heads. there made by the same comanie as the turbos. but hey if you dont beleave me thats fine. and i just raced my moms friend and he has the 5.7 tundra, extended cab with my civic and he took me off the line but i came around him at 55mph. he has a CAI and exhaust.

[Chevy1500z71]

there is such thing as Vortec heads. there made by the same comanie as the turbos. but hey if you dont beleave me thats fine. and i just raced my moms friend and he has the 5.7 tundra, extended cab with my civic and he took me off the line but i came around him at 55mph. he has a CAI and exhaust.

never said i believed you or didnt, im not sure, post up a link if they do make heads.

and you beating that truck puts you right about where i would imagine, really high 14- low 15 sec 1/4 mile.

[EigerGuy]

^^^ still basicly a stock car, i ran a 15.6 in a 1.6 sentra with a muffler and airfilter

[HolyLandMan]

i raced him with my civic, and came around him. but my truck pulls hard from the civic from the line then its about 5 lenghts in front by 70mph

[derek330]

not taking up for anybody. BUT, there are some fast civics! dont get me wrong. i wouldnt own one but i got some friends that are in love with them for whatever reason. and i tune and wrench for some of them. check out this video. this was last weekend in alabama. 10 second hondas are the norm these days. http://upload.streetfire.net/video/Import-Faceoff-Montgomery_199650.htm

[Chevy1500z71]

not taking up for anybody. BUT, there are some fast civics! dont get me wrong. i wouldnt own one but i got some friends that are in love with them for whatever reason. and i tune and wrench for some of them. check out this video. this was last weekend in alabama. 10 second hondas are the norm these days. http://upload.streetfire.net/video/Import-Faceoff-Montgomery_199650.htm

10 seconds in the 1/8 mile you mean(based off of that video), which equates to about 15 seconds in the 1/4...

10 seconds in the 1/4 mile is ridiculously fast, it takes alot to make a 10 second car, despite what you heard on the fast and the furious lol.

[Yamaha72]

That video is all 1/4 mile.... I've seen 10-sec civics before, but the amount of effort, money, and time doesn't add up for me.. You wouldn't be able to drive the thing on the street it'll spin 1-4 gear, and go through tires so fast its stupid. just my .02..

[HolyLandMan]

my stock civic runs little faster than a 9.5sec 1/8 mile

[svtbolt04]

  is what I think when I read this thread.

[logandzwon]

like others said, the spacer is useless on your car.  If you want to stay N/A get a quality intake, header (I prefer toda, but you can get some that are almost as good for half the price,) and quality cat-back.  Also, get a hondata and good tires and you are 90% of what your gonna get.  Anything more then that is going start costing a lot.

If you want to go turbo, then forget any of that, just get your turbo kit, custom turbo-back, and a hondata.

Either-way have someone that knows what they are doing TUNE THE K-PRO!!!!!!

If your in the Broward there is a shop called Jap-tech that will take care of you.  They are good people.  Avoid HPC though.

Oh, and guys, the car is talking about comes stock at around 185whp, and 2600 pounds, and will out run at lest the older generation 8v mustangs stock for stock.

[Chevy1500z71]

like others said, the spacer is useless on your car.  If you want to stay N/A get a quality intake, header (I prefer toda, but you can get some that are almost as good for half the price,) and quality cat-back.  Also, get a hondata and good tires and you are 90% of what your gonna get.  Anything more then that is going start costing a lot.

If you want to go turbo, then forget any of that, just get your turbo kit, custom turbo-back, and a hondata.

Either-way have someone that knows what they are doing TUNE THE K-PRO!!!!!!

If your in the Broward there is a shop called Jap-tech that will take care of you.  They are good people.  Avoid HPC though.

Oh, and guys, the car is talking about comes stock at around 185whp, and 2600 pounds, and will out run at lest the older generation 8v mustangs stock for stock.

you can also get into tuning yourself. check out www.moates.net