Water 4 Gas

[big-daddy]

TJ is up and running....... New oxygen sensor programer is working fine, voltage at 4.5. Just fill the Jeep and starting MPG is 15.5.... Lets see what happens in the next few day. 

[FishaHallic]

ill never get this forum, everyones out to get me for trying to help... hope it makes yall feel better becasue your accomplishing nothing...

Don't let them get to you brother. You have made valid points and everyone appreciates it they're just to hard headed to say thanks....It's all good.

Its not thats he has made some valid points because he has. Its just the fact that you gotta start somewhere and this system is a start at a cheap price. After you get the system installed, then you can focus on tuning it more closer.

I agree with Yunt on this.  If you try to give advise and they don't follow it, don't worry about it.   Chevy1500Z71 you seem to get your feelings hurt if they don't listen to you.  I'm sure all your points are valid ones but hey, if they want to try let them try.  Like even you have said what they are doing may work, now I would not try it but I am glad someone is trying it.

What I have found in the last few months is if you just keep your foot off the gas you will save alot of mpg's.  The last few months I have been very aware of my speed and try to keep it at the speed limit in town and 5mph over on the interstate.  I have also tried to avoid the jack-rabbit starts and without even trying my mileage has gone up from 12/15 to 16/18.  These #s are without even putting a whole lot of effort but I am now going to try to get a little more. 

If you pull up "Hypermiling" on google and read some of the websites you can pick up a lot of good pointers, now some of these guys take it too the extreme but if you just pick up a few things it will help.

BTW, I drive a 2003 Ford Supercrew with a 5.4L V-8 with tow package.  I was thinking of selling my truck but since I am now getting a lot better mileage I will keep it for a few more years (since it is paid off) and since it is also running very good with almost 60,000  miles.

Good luck

[Chevy1500z71]

ill never get this forum, everyones out to get me for trying to help... hope it makes yall feel better becasue your accomplishing nothing...

Don't let them get to you brother. You have made valid points and everyone appreciates it they're just to hard headed to say thanks....It's all good.

Its not thats he has made some valid points because he has. Its just the fact that you gotta start somewhere and this system is a start at a cheap price. After you get the system installed, then you can focus on tuning it more closer.

well the point im REALLY trying to get across is that you shouldn't just risk it until you decide to start tuning it closer(i know that you already have accepted that tunning it is something you should do). all im saying is if i had a brand new 50,000$ car i wouldn't be just dumping the stuff in and just wait till i have the money to get it right. if i had a beater than yea id do it. so basically what im saying is although it seems like this is a cheep solution that ANYONE can do,  its really not. if you have a cheeper car than yea its for you, if you have an expensive car, than you really need to do it 100% correct the first time... personally i wouldnt do it just becasue it draws so much from the alternator i dont think it would do much... and im already spraying methanol, have no egr, and have 3 more pounds of boost than it was tuned for, so i already have quite a handfull to tune as it is. in case your wondering, no my truck inst finely tuned, it runs like crap the tune is so far out of wack its ridiculous, thats why i always like to give people the heads up on how important it is to have a properly functioning tune. mine is so crappy that it runs pig rich before boost and then goes leen ontop under boost. before i got the headers sealed up i was getting 8mpg. sealing up the headers (correcting the 02 sensors reading) put me up to 10mpg(still runs like crap tho, still rich), so you can see how very important is is that the ecm knows whats going on...

[Chevy1500z71]

keeping my foot out of it does nothing for my mpg, it runs so rich that basically if i keep my foot out of it it just runs rich and the fuel comes right out the tailpipe(black smokes like a diesel when i nail it ), if i sink my foot into it im just using the fuel. iv tested ti time and time again, my mpg doesn't fluctuate AT ALL, once i get the tune dialed in tho, then keeping your foot out of it will make the difference...

[Chevy1500z71]

ill never get this forum, everyones out to get me for trying to help... hope it makes yall feel better becasue your accomplishing nothing...

Don't let them get to you brother. You have made valid points and everyone appreciates it they're just to hard headed to say thanks....It's all good.

Its not thats he has made some valid points because he has. Its just the fact that you gotta start somewhere and this system is a start at a cheap price. After you get the system installed, then you can focus on tuning it more closer.

I agree with Yunt on this.  If you try to give advise and they don't follow it, don't worry about it.   Chevy1500Z71 you seem to get your feelings hurt if they don't listen to you. 

 it just pisses me off when i get called a know it all, or my advice is just "blah blah blah anyway comments"... i couldn't help but call them ignorant after getting that for trying to help...

[JackL]

keeping my foot out of it does nothing for my mpg, it runs so rich that basically if i keep my foot out of it it just runs rich and the fuel comes right out the tailpipe(black smokes like a diesel when i nail it ), if i sink my foot into it im just using the fuel. iv tested ti time and time again, my mpg doesn't fluctuate AT ALL, once i get the tune dialed in tho, then keeping your foot out of it will make the difference...

well the point im REALLY trying to get across is that you shouldn't just risk it until you decide to start tuning it closer(i know that you already have accepted that tunning it is something you should do). all im saying is if i had a brand new 50,000$ car i wouldn't be just dumping the stuff in and just wait till i have the money to get it right. if i had a beater than yea id do it. so basically what im saying is although it seems like this is a cheep solution that ANYONE can do,  its really not. if you have a cheeper car than yea its for you, if you have an expensive car, than you really need to do it 100% correct the first time... personally i wouldnt do it just becasue it draws so much from the alternator i dont think it would do much... and im already spraying methanol, have no egr, and have 3 more pounds of boost than it was tuned for, so i already have quite a handfull to tune as it is. in case your wondering, no my truck inst finely tuned, it runs like crap the tune is so far out of wack its ridiculous, thats why i always like to give people the heads up on how important it is to have a properly functioning tune. mine is so crappy that it runs pig rich before boost and then goes leen ontop under boost. before i got the headers sealed up i was getting 8mpg. sealing up the headers (correcting the 02 sensors reading) put me up to 10mpg(still runs like crap tho, still rich), so you can see how very important is is that the ecm knows whats going on...

Oh come on, admit you are just trolling now with this. LOL

[SWAMP_DONKEY]

keeping my foot out of it does nothing for my mpg, it runs so rich that basically if i keep my foot out of it it just runs rich and the fuel comes right out the tailpipe(black smokes like a diesel when i nail it ), if i sink my foot into it im just using the fuel. iv tested ti time and time again, my mpg doesn't fluctuate AT ALL, once i get the tune dialed in tho, then keeping your foot out of it will make the difference...

well the point im REALLY trying to get across is that you shouldn't just risk it until you decide to start tuning it closer(i know that you already have accepted that tunning it is something you should do). all im saying is if i had a brand new 50,000$ car i wouldn't be just dumping the stuff in and just wait till i have the money to get it right. if i had a beater than yea id do it. so basically what im saying is although it seems like this is a cheep solution that ANYONE can do,  its really not. if you have a cheeper car than yea its for you, if you have an expensive car, than you really need to do it 100% correct the first time... personally i wouldnt do it just becasue it draws so much from the alternator i dont think it would do much... and im already spraying methanol, have no egr, and have 3 more pounds of boost than it was tuned for, so i already have quite a handfull to tune as it is. in case your wondering, no my truck inst finely tuned, it runs like crap the tune is so far out of wack its ridiculous, thats why i always like to give people the heads up on how important it is to have a properly functioning tune. mine is so crappy that it runs pig rich before boost and then goes leen ontop under boost. before i got the headers sealed up i was getting 8mpg. sealing up the headers (correcting the 02 sensors reading) put me up to 10mpg(still runs like crap tho, still rich), so you can see how very important is is that the ecm knows whats going on...

Oh come on, admit you are just trolling now with this. LOL

 Oh crap...yes Jack....AGAIN... ...this has got to stop.

[Chevy1500z71]

  ... wow, just forget i ever said anythign and move on.

[trx#9]

Is this the same system www.runyourcarwithwater.com This guy is out of clearwater.

[JackL]

... wow, just forget i ever said anythign and move on.

I would really like to hear how the programmer works out in your truck when you start making realtime adjustments. I am thinking of getting the same one.

Have you run it in a 1/4? I would imagine correcting the ECU will knock two seconds off what ever it does now. If you manage 18MPG and 12's I might run the same setup.


So how is the Wackermobile doing? You getting 30MPG towing a fifthwheel or what? Don't keep us in the dark.

[Mudneck]

Didnt do much driving since I filled up friday.
 

[gtnwood]

... wow, just forget i ever said anythign and move on.

We can only hope, geez do u ever stop. Rest assured there are more experienced peeps on here than you, so give it a rest junior.

[Chevy1500z71]

well iv learned my lesson. dont try and help anyone or give advice, isnt that the point of a forum tho? not this forum...

i can feel a pretty hard bashing coming on

[gtnwood]

If you are smart enough to know what works and dont work surely your smart enough to know these people are at least as smart as you, so give it a rest. Go pat yourself on the back and call it a day, geezus
Well except for DigBaddy of course, but he sure can cut and paste articles for good literate responses with correct english etc....

[big-daddy]

Stop highjacking this thread with BS, the Kid has an Opinion just like you. Back to the testing


First day project Jeep TJ: New plate system heating up to 158' amps when to 30 not good. Mix look like it was boiling and heating up the hoses. I lower the mix in the fluid and rewired the system with a relay. I the rush to get the system up and running a used the wiring and switch from the off road light. The wiring was to small to handle the surge of amp going into the unit. I,m going to lower the mix in the unit to bring down the temp and the amps.

On a good note..... the ECU control unit worked without a problem, I have come up with a different plan for another control unit that will work better than the first. I will build it today and start testing the unit ASAP, It will give me more control over the ECU and MAP/MAF with a new pulse signal going into the ECU.

[big-daddy]

Test 2:

Improvement from 15.5 to 21.9 MPG............ 40.6 miles on 1.85 gals of gas. remember people this is on a Jeep with 4:88 running gears and 35" tires    and the engine is still in its clean up mode.

[TRX450R_Racer]

Test 2:

Improvement from 15.5 to 21.9 MPG............ 40.6 miles on 1.85 gals of gas. remember people this is on a Jeep with 4:88 running gears and 35" tires    and the engine is still in its clean up mode.

Nice!

I will be putting it on my 99 Sierra 4X4 with 7" lift and 35" tires next week, right now I get 12-13 MPG.

[Chevy1500z71]

Test 2:

Improvement from 15.5 to 21.9 MPG............ 40.6 miles on 1.85 gals of gas. remember people this is on a Jeep with 4:88 running gears and 35" tires    and the engine is still in its clean up mode.

sounds great! what all do you have on the truck now? the map sensor fooler or something?

this could be something i do once i get all my tunning stuff, since i have to tune anyway, i could see maximum benifits. i just need to learn a bit more about it...

[big-daddy]

Test 2:

Improvement from 15.5 to 21.9 MPG............ 40.6 miles on 1.85 gals of gas. remember people this is on a Jeep with 4:88 running gears and 35" tires    and the engine is still in its clean up mode.

Nice!

I will be putting it on my 99 Sierra 4X4 with 7" lift and 35" tires next week, right now I get 12-13 MPG.

Frank you have my number, call me if you need help.

[big-daddy]

Test 2:

Improvement from 15.5 to 21.9 MPG............ 40.6 miles on 1.85 gals of gas. remember people this is on a Jeep with 4:88 running gears and 35" tires    and the engine is still in its clean up mode.

sounds great! what all do you have on the truck now? the map sensor fooler or something?

this could be something i do once i get all my tunning stuff, since i have to tune anyway, i could see maximum benifits. i just need to learn a bit more about it...

I,m sending a 4.5 volt signal to the ECU from the oxy sensor, at that voltage the ECU is thinking the mix is correct. 

[05greengriz]

I am gonna check Wackers setup out this weekend. I have airad intake,exhaust,superchips,35's and 430 gears in my dually. I wonder if the superchips will interfere with the results.

Chevy, chime on in, I am not against to listening to all opinions.

[TRX450R_Racer]

Test 2:

Improvement from 15.5 to 21.9 MPG............ 40.6 miles on 1.85 gals of gas. remember people this is on a Jeep with 4:88 running gears and 35" tires    and the engine is still in its clean up mode.

Nice!

I will be putting it on my 99 Sierra 4X4 with 7" lift and 35" tires next week, right now I get 12-13 MPG.

Frank you have my number, call me if you need help.

Thanks I will if I have a question.

[big-daddy]

I am gonna check Wackers setup out this weekend. I have airad intake,exhaust,superchips,35's and 430 gears in my dually. I wonder if the superchips will interfere with the results.

Chevy, chime on in, I am not against to listening to all opinions.

The Chip is increasing your fuel input and controlling your management system in the ECU. The hydrogen burning will bring the oxygen count up in the exhaust system so the oxy sensor pick up on this and adds more fuel to the mix. So you have to run a oxy sensor control to fool the ECU. I have a new control I will test this weekend that will fix that problem. 

[trx#9]

When are you going to try a diesel?

[yunt2ride]

Thanks BD for the updates