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« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2008, 09:01:58 PM » |
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Nice links. I think I am going to build the oxygen sensor control from that page first. 5-10% sounds like a nice start. |
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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2008, 09:04:13 PM » |
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Keep us updated guys!
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« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2008, 08:37:42 PM » |
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Salt is not needed!!!! the best electrolite is Potassium hydroxide (KOH) next best is a mixture of baking soda and hydrogen peroxide. The only possible corrosion that comes from using this is from the fact that when HHO burns it turns back into water but because it is being used as an additive to fossil fuels the gas burns off the little bit of water and forms steam which helps cool exhaust gas temps. Much of the fuel used in todays cars is used to cool the exhaust temps and prevent detonation as well as burnt valves then whats left of this gas that is used only to help cool things down is burnt off in the catylitic converter. Lean is Hot - Rich is cool. lean saves fuel but can burn holes in pistons. Rich uses a lot more gas but saves parts. HHO helps by providing a overall more complete combustion and turns to water helping cool things down allowing you to run a leaner mixture but maintain a good exhaust tem.
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« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2008, 09:31:39 PM » |
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« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2008, 10:31:32 AM » |
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For 20bucks these can be built but the o2 sensor has to account for the extra fuel being hydrogen
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« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2008, 10:53:50 AM » |
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JackL.. You are never too far from controversy but your camera work is top notch. Great pics.
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« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2008, 10:55:44 AM » |
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30 miles a tank. If the truck has a 30 gallon gas tank, then that is 1 mile per gallon improvement. Someone please check my math.
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« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2008, 01:04:14 PM » |
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30 miles a tank. If the truck has a 30 gallon gas tank, then that is 1 mile per gallon improvement. Someone please check my math.
That would be correct. If he adds the map sensor/02 sensor, then it will recalibrate the computer and be more efficient. |
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« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2008, 01:05:20 PM » |
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well you math is good but the tanks isnt that big most F150's dont have a 30galloin tank
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« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2008, 01:08:48 PM » |
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150's should be 24 or 27 gallons
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« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2008, 01:52:40 PM » |
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heck if you do it yourself and xtra 30 miles is worth it .... i wouldnt spend 1200 for those 30 miles but building it yourself appears to be cheap.
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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2008, 03:23:50 PM » |
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so what exactly does the 02 sensor fooler doing because i can guarantee its not doing it the correct way. there is a proper air fuel ratio for any kind of fuel and your ecm is reading the 02sensor constantly looking for as close to 14.7:1, if it senses leener it will add fuel and the same the other way so in what way are you trying to trick it? what is the actual air fuel ratio that you need to shoot for while burning this stuff? i would think leener, becasue that woul give you better mpg. the ecm can only compensate so much if it still thinks 14.7:1 is what it needs... if you can sorta understand what im saying... so basicly without retuning you will do a little better becasue it will sense a false rich reading from the extra whatever its called that your dumping in and it will compensate by giving you less gas so you will get beter mpg but you have to understand that the ecm still thinks your at 14.7:1 and is trying hard to keep you there and in doing so you will get less fuel meaning better mpg but its far from its maximum efficiency since the ecm is just confused...
i still dont understand how this stuff works except for it must just be a type of fuel that has a leaner air fuel ratio meaning it takes more air and less fuel to burn best... but a fuel with a leaner ratio inst as powerful, thats why race cars burn methanol, becasue it takes very little air to ignite it. this stuff must take tons of air meaning that u get by with less fuel... am i close? am the only one who thinks this deep into how it works?
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« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2008, 03:39:01 PM » |
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PVC will get soft and melt at 15 amps........ not a good idea!
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« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2008, 09:27:22 PM » |
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30 miles a tank. If the truck has a 30 gallon gas tank, then that is 1 mile per gallon improvement. Someone please check my math.
Yes, less than stellar. The unit has only been in operation for a few hundred miles at this point and the fuel curve still needs to be modified. I'm looking forward to trying it on a carb'd generator. heck if you do it yourself and xtra 30 miles is worth it .... i wouldnt spend 1200 for those 30 miles but building it yourself appears to be cheap.
I'm thinking the alternator must be dragging pretty good with the extra 20 amps for the unit and all. |
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« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2008, 11:03:11 PM » |
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PVC will get soft and melt at 15 amps........ not a good idea!
Not if the Ohms & impedence change the molecular structure by the cooling efect of the hho being produced.  I got my supplies I will be up and running soon |
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« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2008, 11:26:46 PM » |
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PVC will get soft and melt at 15 amps........ not a good idea!
Not if the Ohms & impedence change the molecular structure by the cooling efect of the hho being produced. I got my supplies I will be up and running soon haha I'm pretty sure if you use schedule 80 it will be like the black box in a plane. |
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« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2008, 11:38:35 PM » |
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30 miles a tank. If the truck has a 30 gallon gas tank, then that is 1 mile per gallon improvement. Someone please check my math.
Yes, less than stellar. The unit has only been in operation for a few hundred miles at this point and the fuel curve still needs to be modified. I'm looking forward to trying it on a carb'd generator. heck if you do it yourself and xtra 30 miles is worth it .... i wouldnt spend 1200 for those 30 miles but building it yourself appears to be cheap.
I'm thinking the alternator must be dragging pretty good with the extra 20 amps for the unit and all. I remember reading somewhere that you wont see big results for a tank or 2 im sure 150 miles would be less than a tank ... can you keep us up to date? |
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« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2008, 11:52:30 PM » |
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30 miles a tank. If the truck has a 30 gallon gas tank, then that is 1 mile per gallon improvement. Someone please check my math.
Yes, less than stellar. The unit has only been in operation for a few hundred miles at this point and the fuel curve still needs to be modified. I'm looking forward to trying it on a carb'd generator. heck if you do it yourself and xtra 30 miles is worth it .... i wouldnt spend 1200 for those 30 miles but building it yourself appears to be cheap.
I'm thinking the alternator must be dragging pretty good with the extra 20 amps for the unit and all. I remember reading somewhere that you wont see big results for a tank or 2 im sure 150 miles would be less than a tank ... can you keep us up to date? I was thinking the same thing. I'll tell you, I am watering at the mouth over the possibility of 30MPG in a 3/4 ton. I find this unbelievable, but the CH 5 report is very hard to ignore. I am building the oxygen sensor control circuit in the next few days to try and get the 5-10% and get ready to strap this crazy contraption in. You can be sure I will post pictures and overstate the results vs the Ford. |
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« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2008, 08:30:51 AM » |
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PVC will get soft and melt at 15 amps........ not a good idea!
Not if the Ohms & impedence change the molecular structure by the cooling efect of the hho being produced. I got my supplies I will be up and running soon Take plenty of pictures please. I was thinking about 6 inch schedule 40 PVC with a cap on the bottom and a male plug on the top so that you could unscrew it to fill with water, |
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« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2008, 08:57:46 AM » |
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You do need to have a clear tube to see the bubbling. That will need to be regulated.
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« Reply #71 on: May 15, 2008, 12:32:37 PM » |
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I made 2 cells alot cheaper than that. They work all ready to go....except I need a good point to introduce it into the system. Anyone have any ideas where the best place to feed it into a 6.0 ford diesel? I was thinking right before turbo into that plastic tube,thoughts?
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« Reply #72 on: May 15, 2008, 03:28:01 PM » |
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in a turbo application im thinking it wont matter much its going to get mixed up pretty good going through the turbo
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« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2008, 03:36:11 PM » |
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Thats what I was hoping to here Pizzim. Well now all I need to do is find a 12 volt power supply after ignition to see what these things do.
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« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2008, 04:26:41 PM » |
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volt meter and time  i would think you should stay away from the injection pump and the like |
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