holylands closed effective july 1, 2008

[digginfool]

My first inclination is to flame hard on the jackasses that have brought it to this point but save for a few exceptions (and you jerk-wads know who you are), the guilty most likely don't visit this site.  I wish there was a way to turn back the clock to when few people knew the place existed.  My kids are outraged that they will no longer be allowed to ride out there.  It was one of our favorite family activities and now it's gone, thanks to a bunch of selfish, irresponsible punks.  As I had predicted numerous times on previous posts, the guilty are the ones who will cry the loudest and I already see some of the guilty puking out their trash talk.  You tough guys really know how to make a difference, don't you?  Where were you during the clean-up rides?  The email campaigns to make our voices heard?  Behaving yourselves when you were riding out there?  Picking up your trash or for that matter, any trash you saw?  Where were you when it mattered?  Yeah, I can hear you now; now you 'gotta do something.'  Too late, peckerhead.

[foreman1]

My first inclination is to flame hard on the jackasses that have brought it to this point but save for a few exceptions (and you jerk-wads know who you are), the guilty most likely don't visit this site.  I wish there was a way to turn back the clock to when few people knew the place existed.  My kids are outraged that they will no longer be allowed to ride out there.  It was one of our favorite family activities and now it's gone, thanks to a bunch of selfish, irresponsible punks.  As I had predicted numerous times on previous posts, the guilty are the ones who will cry the loudest and I already see some of the guilty puking out their trash talk.  You tough guys really know how to make a difference, don't you?  Where were you during the clean-up rides?  The email campaigns to make our voices heard?  Behaving yourselves when you were riding out there?  Picking up your trash or for that matter, any trash you saw?  Where were you when it mattered?  Yeah, I can hear you now; now you 'gotta do something.'  Too late, peckerhead.

Cant add much more to that .
There mere numbers alone would've done us in anyway . Back in the 1980's there werent many that rode out there , mostly because there were still plenty of areas in western Broward and Dade Counties to ride in .
 

[jrpro130]

I noticed that HL turned real bad after 8th street got blocked off. 

I remember back right when it opened back up, after the closure, how nice it was.  There was barely a noticable trail off the levee all the way down. 

It was beautiful.  Now it's all gone.  The place looks like crap, theres stupid high schoolers partying and doing drugs out there, not even out there riding.  Too many dipwads doing doughnuts aroudn the trucks.  I witnessed 5 people doing it, all on sport atvs (coincidence, I know) not giving a rats @$$.  It just ticks me off.  I can't stand that these punks, most of them on stolen bikes and illigal aliens, are ruining this place.

I think we should police it ourselfes, have a redneck day and just kick everyones ass that doesn't belong out there.

HL/Rotenburger, and 3a (everglades francis s. taylor) is a place for 4x4 atv's, swamp buggies, tracks, and airboats.  Not a place for dirtbikes and sport atvs (well, if your riding off the levee, thats still cool).  I just see way too many people out there strictly riding the levee...which I have noticed a trend, they are the trouble makers.  They are littering, they are causing harm.

Now don't get me wrong, there are plenty of beer cans off the levee from 4x4's.  I must supply both sides of the story...
I just think that the levee should be closed to recreational ATV use.  Thats where the problem is. 



If your riding at holey lands to ride the levee, your there for the wrong reason.  It just takes about 5 minutes of observing to figure that one out...

I watched a yfz go from his truck on the north parking side, to the south parking side, do a dougnut, almost roll his bike, got off, started his bike back up, fishtailed around about 10ft from the trucks spraying the trucks.  Then he went flying down the levee, turned around, almost flipped again, raced by the trucks about 40mph (not kidding), then went back to his truck and just hung out there partying with his large group of stolen bikes.  He did this about 2 more times before he almost got shot by a few of our neighboring trucks...they got a little angry to say the least, after 1 time, we had all had enough, but 2 was assinine...3 was off the shelf.  Needless to say, he packed up shortly after.

BTW, fwc was no where to be found.  But FWC is there when there is 10 bikes out just putting around...lol.  And they are also there when I make illigal left turns Damn firefighters is what they always say to me...

[brett711]

The answers to your questions are as follows:

 

Question #1 yes to all and all areas are restricted

# 2 they do not know what it is yet.  I suspect that it will be an infraction but please continue to view the web site.

# 3 all of the areas are closed including the levees. 

 

I look forward to hearing from you again and if I can be of further assistance let me know.

 

Lt. Dave Bingham


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From: brett [mailto:brett711@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:25 AM
To: Bingham, David
Subject: brett ,i spoke to you on the phone

 

hi there,

 

question 1 did the proposed rule go into effect for the 3a/holyland/rotenberger.. include francis taylor as well..

 

question  2    what will be the penalty if caught rideing those areas..

 

quest 3     are we allowed to ride the levees..

 

thanx for your help

 

[crom A zone]

least i still can ride my 2 wd down the leeve.  They did not say anything bout leeve rideing just the dam 4wd tearing up the mounther earth. i see stupied people knocking down trees. Makes me sad.

[rdm225]

Thanks matt, its a holes like you that are getting it shut down thanks again all you a holes

[Anoriginal]

I really have mixed feelings about all of this. On one hand, I hate to see any place we ride close down. On the other hand, I completely understand the reasons behind the closing and can't say I am totally against the decision.

In the end, it was the few that ruined it for the many. Always is. Sucks any way you slice it. 

[jrpro130]

I agree with you anaoriginal.

I used to love the place.  Now it's just torn up and a lot of a-holes run around there...I am picking other places to ride now.

But it's the MANY that ruined it for the FEW.  We are the few...

[Anoriginal]

But it's the MANY that ruined it for the FEW.  We are the few...

I agree with you totally.

[rdm225]

You will also have to take a boater safety course for the flag citation another 25 bucks thanks fwc

[EigerGuy]

if we don't try anything about the holeylands area, what ever the next spot we pick to ride will be next, the only problem is its overcrowded, everyone from everywhere rides holeylands its just too many people

so post up what we have to do and lets do it

my .02 I'm down to try and help out


on a side note anyone who's been riding after hunting season is over knows that sh*t grows back with in the few months, so it regenerates after all the ORVs ride all over the place, im not saying it makes it right but FYI for those who thinks it just doesnt grow back

[AintSkeered]

I'm committed to any Rally that can be organized @ Holeyland. Why must they close all 3 WMAs? No one rides ATVs in Rottenberger and Everglades/Francis Taylor is the largest, so just give us Holeyland because it's bordered on the north by a sugar cane field anyway.

[~Demon_Boy250X~]

My father says he is up to support any rally we are good for around 40-70 bikes and around 80-90 people to be there lol.

[brett711]

i think we should go public, goto sun sentinel, miami herald etc.... local news stations... anyone know someone....in the news media to come out there and make a public announcement

[jrpro130]

I'm down for whatever. I don't have time to organize it, but I'll sure support it.

I still think they should JUST close the l5 and miami canal levee to rec use.  That would eliminate 99 percent of the problem.  And forbid camping and enforce the drinking laws...

[VForcedave]

We have been through this Rally stuff before. Like it said in the earlier post its usually a low turn out. The problem I have when they keep closing these places, it pushes the southern riders to move North to places that are illegal riding areas and are already feeling heavy heat because of the larger numbers of illegal riders. Yes, I ride illegally in a few spots up north. With local knowledge and NO fan fare (no trucks, trailers, large groups) you can get in and out when the heat is off.

I am a firm believer that these properties that are being close belong to ALL OF US. It gripes me to be considered a NON-FActor in this country when it comes to these land closures. I still believe the American Indian was screwed over by our ancestors. Now we know how that feels. I will ride illegally and legally as long a i keep riding.       

[crom A zone]

rdm u dont no me and u really dont wanna go there ight


how bout we ride there untill they tell us we cant ride there no more and then u all come back to the comp and start crying that u cant ride there u still got a lil time left run it till u dont wanna run it anymore   


i agree shutting it down is good idea to keep people like rdm out of there

[Turk]

 Not good news to hear,that really sucks but I guess it was going to happen sooner of later.I was really hoping it wouldnt.

[jrpro130]

Thanks matt, its a holes like you that are getting it shut down thanks again all you a holes

Like 4x4matt said...I don't think you know who he is.

I think that explains enough.

[rdm225]

First off Matt you need to learn how to spell correctly ,then you can get my attention

[leeward bound]

I just spoke to FWC and Although someone decided to try correct me(on this forum) the vote did take place during the last meeting on the 6-8. And the issue was on the docket for that meeting.

According to FWC there is no appeals system.  The time for an appeal was when the issue was placed on the docket for discussion. 

To say too little too late comes to mind  Everyone one with a conscious and an IQ greater than the amount of beer cans they droped out there should realize that this was a gift.  Not growing up here in the south the First time I went out there I kept asking myself is this really OK to ride here?  To ride along side of or in the Everglades.

Maybe if a new location is allowed People will remember the fun they had at the Holylands and what a hastle it is to drag you're ATV to areas that are controlled riding

[jrpro130]

Well, all I know is theres going to be a lot of illigal riding.  Theres no where to ride in the tri county area after HL closes.

This is going to be a pretty big problem.  FWC is going to have to put quite a few officers out there...they probably will need to run aerial support as well.  Not to mention a few officers on atv's.

[budman]

The real question now is how does the state allow ATV sales and tax collections to ensure riding areas and continually close them down. Basically they are selling products you cannot use....

[leeward bound]

Regulations are made and regulations can be changed

First a lobbyist type group needs to be formed.  This should include Riders as well as manufactureres and the local dealers.

Do you not think this will have re-procutions for people like Rick Case and Riva and Broward Motor Sports

Yamaha has just formed  an alliance team just to prevent this type of area from closing.
It will not be easy and it will take more much more than words on a forum.

My group hopefully on Monday will meet with an attorney to form a NON Prof to see how far we can take this.  Had I known prior to the end of last month that this was on the docket for the meeting this month I would have moved to form this months ago,  However a national Forrest ranger in Ocala told me about this closure forth coming

[greenmachine]

Maybe they need a ranger station out there like Croom & you have to buy a yearly pass to ride an atv out there. The yearly fee would cut a lot of the quad theives out because of the record keeping part.
If everyone reading this thread will go back & reread it, you can see clearly why it was closed down.
Several of you are spouting off about "you will continue to ride out there & ef them if they try to stop you" "you know ways to run from the law & hide from the law" "there is gonna be a lot of illegal riding out there & it will take double the manpower to enforce"

Last time I was at Holeylands(several years ago) there was one main road in & out off of Hwy 27. How hard is it gonna be to set a pair of officers at the entrance & they will turn back every truck with an atv on it?
This is life & good luck getting a rally together. There are just as many dumbazzes out there who could care less & live against the law as there are good people in your areas.
Sell your quads & buy a small track or airboat.
Better yet, get one of those big arctic cats & install the track system then you are riding a "track vehicle".