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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2007, 08:42:09 AM » |
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so... I have to register for sure now, even though im from ga? (ga dosnt require ohv registration, subsaquintly I dont have to in fl, becouse im a georgia resident) so if I camp in big scrub and ride from there I have to be registerd?
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2007, 09:02:51 AM » |
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You have to have proof of ownership such as a bill of sale with vin # and driver's license.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2007, 09:16:18 AM » |
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yea I already know that, unfortuantly the rangers still think Im full of chit though, but yea I carry all the info like that when we go there, but what im asking is the fee, is it like croom now?
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2007, 09:37:18 AM » |
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No, The fee at Croom is per vehicle per year. This fee is per user.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2007, 09:49:03 AM » |
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Terry any idea why they did'nt consider a family fee like most wanted 4 riders in the family = $300.00 a year plus camping
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2007, 10:52:15 AM » |
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OK. ok I got it now, sorry morning thinkin
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2007, 11:41:24 AM » |
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To get more money ................. why per person not per vehicle
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2007, 01:18:02 PM » |
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No answer to why per person, but you have probably answered it yourself.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2007, 02:00:09 PM » |
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Are they going to use the money to groom the main trails ?
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2007, 02:20:11 PM » |
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By law- 95% of the money must be used for the trail system.
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2007, 02:58:51 PM » |
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I won't be dropping a penny for that dumb permit. as a matter of fact, i hope the trail tenders pick up my empty cans as that will be all they will be getting from me that is worth anything. unreal. what is next? probably have to pay for a guide to ride those lame trails next year. what a joke.
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2007, 03:46:48 PM » |
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By law- 95% of the money must be used for the trail system.
Yeah but doesn't mean they'll groom the trails, who paid to have the host campsites built at the seed orchard. I heard they were preety nice complete with electricity and everything?
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2007, 03:59:29 PM » |
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There are 4 complete hookup campsites at the OHV Center. The money to build them was from there budget. They use these campsites for the volunteers that come for the winter and agree to give a certain amount of time every week. I do not know what the time requirement is. But some of these last winter were in big motorhomes and travel trailers. There are no other facilities in the forest like this, and certainly none near the trail system.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2007, 04:22:35 PM » |
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Maybe the forest service should have bought the campground near hog valley and tied the trail system in with it . I'm sure it would have paid for itself. full hook up Lake Oklawaha RV Resort
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2007, 05:55:42 PM » |
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No way I am paying that. They all can kiss my azz.
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2007, 06:34:50 PM » |
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thats total bs. who in the crap is going to pay that especially when they take all their kids with them. stupidest thing ive ever heard of
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2007, 10:32:16 PM » |
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The money isn't even the issue. They took away all the fun things about riding there. The per person price is not a bad thing, that means that you could take a sport bike and a utility or side by side and operate all 3 with 1 permit.
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2007, 10:54:15 PM » |
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so the florida guys have to pay not only the fl registration but this as well? well if 95% goes to the trails and such are they going to move those damn markers at scrub were you cant ride near the power lines? I almost got ran over ast time we were there by a large group of riders that jsut didnt have no where to damn get out of the way, I moved over aout a foot past the marker, then SYKO aunt jemima ranger came over and went nuts on I disagree about it! I was like wtfever and rode off back into the forest to ride trails that I wasnt suposed to ride in disgust.......
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2007, 11:31:25 PM » |
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I am glad it is 75 per person not 75 per machine.now any of the 7 atvs I own will be legal with 1 tag,like hatfield-mcoy.hopefully it will cut on the dirtbags that leave trash all over and got the forest shut down in the first place.75 is cheap to ride for a year.I admit closing of some of the good trails,like lack mack sucks but hey scrub is still wide open and I am willing to pay my cash and give the trail system a chance.
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2007, 11:41:07 PM » |
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yeah if they actually use the money the way they are supposed to. and 75 dollars isnt checp compared to what it was before .
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2007, 11:11:24 AM » |
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I don't mind paying to ride, but they talked about a family fee, and UF did a study of ONF users the majority of people surveyed asked for a family fee.
I just dont understand why the ask what we want and then ignore it.
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2007, 12:51:53 PM » |
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When does the safety course crap for the kids go into effect?
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2007, 01:50:23 PM » |
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When does the safety course crap for the kids go into effect?
JULY 1, 2008
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2007, 05:30:05 PM » |
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I won't be dropping a penny for that dumb permit. as a matter of fact, i hope the trail tenders pick up my empty cans as that will be all they will be getting from me that is worth anything. unreal. what is next? probably have to pay for a guide to ride those lame trails next year. what a joke.
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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2007, 06:47:07 AM » |
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I was at the Umitilla meeting and was told that 80% would go back to the forest for maintenance on the system, not necessarily for grooming of trails, it could be for facility maintanence, picninc tables, etc. So who has the correct answer, or should it be who is lying. That is also what is in the federal register
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2007, 05:54:24 PM » |
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Hey Grizzly,
We rode the trails today (wow, it was hot!). We parked at Lake Delancy Campground and noticed the sign about the new fee structure. Since its a per operator fee, will they issue a card or a sticker?
Basically, how will the forest service personnel know who has and has not paid? Also, so you happen to know when will the new parking lot on Rt 19 be open?
Thanks,
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2007, 07:35:04 AM » |
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You can pay the fee at any visitor station, ranger station or at any trailhead. At the trailhead there will be Iron Rangers, like at Lake Delancy. Pay the fee and take the ticket with you. Hopefully the trailhead t Hwy 19 and the one on FR 75 will open within 2 weeks.
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2007, 08:46:57 AM » |
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I won't be dropping a penny for that dumb permit. as a matter of fact, i hope the trail tenders pick up my empty cans as that will be all they will be getting from me that is worth anything. unreal. what is next? probably have to pay for a guide to ride those lame trails next year. what a joke. I don't live up there dude! And i was joking about leaving my empties there. I am not a litterer!
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2007, 09:25:09 AM » |
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Terry, Stupid question but I'm gonna ask anyway...The 7 day and 3 day passes do they run concurrently or possibly are they like a Disney pass and you get stamped each time you use them until you reach your limit? Either way I know some here think its a bit pricey, but I don't personally think its that bad at all...someone like me and my family (with three quads x $10.00 = $30.00) a visit is not that bad considering and I'll probably only make it down there about 3 - 4 times a year...at least we have the option of not buying a yearly pass like croom and not getting our moneys worth!!
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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2007, 11:14:03 AM » |
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It is 3 days or 7 days in a row. However, for a weekend, if it is 2 adults and 2 under 16 the fee is $30.00
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« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2007, 11:54:48 PM » |
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Will you still be able to pay to day park and ride out from at Big Scrub campground? The link posted states:
"Starting in October, 2007 the forest will be transitioning away from allowing day use parking, for the purpose of OHV riding, out of Delancy and Big Scrub. Only campers will be allowed to use these areas. Since we now have trailheads open, the forest will be directing all day use to park at the trailheads."
It's nice to set up camp at Big Scrub for lunch and the restrooms are a plus for the wife.
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« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2007, 02:21:05 PM » |
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Until they get trailheads in Phase II, yes you will. Once new trailheads are built, then you won't. They would like you to park under the power lines in the designated areas now. They are having problems with day users using the best camping spots.
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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2007, 09:27:02 PM » |
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Until they get trailheads in Phase II, yes you will. Once new trailheads are built, then you won't. They would like you to park under the power lines in the designated areas now. They are having problems with day users using the best camping spots.
I can understand that Terry. Now that it's getting cooler we're planning on coming down. I guess I'll stop and get my daughter and me legaled up. I truly hope the trails we're keeping are groomed. I still think it sucks that other states are TRYING to open places to ride but FL seems to always want to close trails. I wish somebody like Durhamtown would open a place and the USFS could take the chincy areas we have left and they could shove it up their a$$eS.
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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2007, 09:51:14 PM » |
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I started a thread about hunting vs. riding on the numbered trails in winter but no one responded. Now that we have given up so much riding area it seems that we should be able to ride on the numbered trails without fear of being harassed by hunters. The trails are only about 1/4 of ONF leaving 3/4 for hunting.
Is there anything official or unofficial?
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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2007, 07:26:40 PM » |
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Currently no fees are in effect for the Phase II (central portion) of the forest. Pending a decision, trails will be designated and fees will apply.
It sounds like they will want more money out of your pocket when phase II is complete?
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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2007, 10:09:23 PM » |
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That fee is bullS***!!!! First off the riding there isnt that good. 2nd they are like closing every thing off Wtf, and on top of that now we have to pay to ride the the woops! They will never see a dang dime out of me and my family!!!!!
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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2007, 09:31:30 AM » |
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They are getting exactly what they want ! Less ATV users through financial pressure and limiting riding areas. They did it at Big Cypress years ago and it worked. I hardly ever go now and I have a place in Hog Valley.
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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2007, 03:40:24 PM » |
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Ok, Now some of the local businesses are seeing the effects from the fees and less people wanting to come and visit the area now. The fees are making the local businesses lose money.
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« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2007, 03:44:01 PM » |
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Local businesses are losing money because of less visiters willing to pay the fees. They are hurting our communitee. Less visiters = Less money
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« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2007, 04:56:04 PM » |
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They are having problems with day users using the best camping spots.
Been there 3 times now,have not seen a camper yet that was not there to go 4 wheeling.I did see one guy living out of the back of his car...
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« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2007, 04:45:12 PM » |
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I am receiving an email from a ranger in Ocala stating that you do not have to pay the $75.00 fee for riding while riding @ Big Scrub. Who knows if this is really true?
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