ATV"s will now officially be "off-limits" on any SFWMD Levees.

[lswjth2]

Folks, I just got today the Official SFWMD "recreational Plan". We are not permitted on any of their properties,period or on any of their levees. If you want a copy please e-mail me @ lswjth2@yahoo.com, and I will send this to you. Here you go.......


Environmental
Lands
Unacceptable
Activities
On levees
• Vehicles
operated by the
unescorted
public
• All terrain
vehicles

[TRX450R_Racer]

That means no more HolyLands?

[Anoriginal]

That means no more HolyLands?

Yep. No more ATV's on the Levees in the Holylands.

[RAD 450r]

That means no more HolyLands?

Yep. No more ATV's on the Levees in the Holylands.

Wow thats not gonna go over too well.  When is this effective?

[VForcedave]

They can kiss my Grits. I have had enough. Oh by the way I RIDE ILLEGALLY. 

[Gato]

Rick just spoke to Cary will be in touch!!Planning???

[LINK500]

  THAT IS SOME MAJOR BULLSHI@T.

[AintSkeered]

Vehicles operated by the unescorted public are also prohibited. So, does that mean hunters and tree huggers can't drive on the levees?

[Gato]

collecto

[06 BaNsHeE]

Wow this is bullshit....It dont affect me because everywhere I ride is illegal shut down places anyways...

[crom A zone]

thats the best news i herd all day. now some stupied people cant make post that make no seance bout people breaking rules out there b/c we all will be breaking rules when we ride out there sweet i am so happy

[SWAMP_DONKEY]

thats the best news i herd all day. now some stupied people cant make post that make no seance bout people breaking rules out there b/c we all will be breaking rules when we ride out there sweet i am so happy

 Take responsability for your actions, learn how to spell and grow up. Riding in illegal areas will only get more spots closed!!!

[hwy raptor]

thats the best news i herd all day. now some stupied people cant make post that make no seance bout people breaking rules out there b/c we all will be breaking rules when we ride out there sweet i am so happy

Dude in very kind words You are a complete idiot, unless you are 7 years old,and have no recolection of what you are saying , you should be banned from this site to avoid you being an idiot in every thread.

[jrpro130]

That sucks.

What is the enforcement of this? What is the repercussion?

L-Cross, C&R, ONF, Croom...thats all the legal riding we have around my area now...and ONF and croom are FAR away!

[VForcedave]

I feel like the Indian Tribes of the U.S. back when they were being pushed out and eventually either killed or went to a reservation. Except the Seminole tribe of Florida. They said screw you we are not going. So they headed out to the Everglades where the White Man could not survive. To this day they are the only tribe to NOT sign a treaty with the U.S. Now they want to finish us off by taking all of the land not privately owned and put restrictions on this. I have places to ride legally, although I am pissed about these restrictions. These lands are being stolen from us. Sound familiar? How dare they tell us where we can and can not go. *&*^&$&*%$@!~$*^))*&$#%@^*^&)_)&*$#^$#$&%*_(*)&(%^^$#@^*^(()&&)(&)^(^%*$^##^$*%(^))^^%####. )&($#^$*&^(()*&*%$@#&%*^(&))*&)^%*$&#&$*   

[JackL]

Enter the Holeylands from the alley if this is really going to affect it.

[crom A zone]

i am not an idoit u gusy are idiots u think u are all the best you sit behind your computer and thats it. well go out and do something instead of sitting behind the computer

[crom A zone]

jack u are the best    yes u are lets ride ally o wait all the old men that are cry have 2wd bikes and dont wanna get therenails dirty they just got painted at the store

[k.p.]

jack u are the best    yes u are lets ride ally o wait all the old men that are cry have 2wd bikes and dont wanna get therenails dirty they just got painted at the store

that are cry? uhmmm would ya mind running that thru the coherency filter for me?

lol

[crom A zone]

whats this mean?

[Gato]

jack u are the best    yes u are lets ride ally o wait all the old men that are cry have 2wd bikes and dont wanna get therenails dirty they just got painted at the store

I get them done at a unisex salon not a store TARD! can we ban this idiot from he anyone???

[Ida_Mann]

whats this mean?

I'm sorry but I gotta say it's even funnier when the person being made fun of doesn't know it.

Id@

ps: why do I feel I just smacked the bee hive with a short stick ;-)

[crom A zone]

can we ban this idiot from he anyone???



it be better like this.

Can we ban this idiot from here anyone? 

mybe u need to learn how to type or mybe i am not the only idiot

[Bigscrb15]

Maybe we could have stopped this if more of the complainers would have shown up at the Rally.

[bigwake]

hahaha..this dude who can' type...hahahaaaha

[JackL]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we always been prohibited from SFWMD lands?

Doesn't this statement pretty much effectively make riding the new Collier park prohibited?



Why would these Holeylands/FWC rules change because of this?


Vehicle Information

No motor vehicle shall be operated on any part of any wildlife and environmental area designated and posted as "CLOSED" because of inclement weather, poor road conditions, construction, management activities, or wildlife surveys.
No person shall park any vehicle in a manner that obstructs a road, gate, or firelane.
During archery, muzzleloading, and general gun-walk seasons, only ATVs are permitted for hunting.  While an ATV is in motion, no person shall occupy any platform or structure attached to it.  No ATV may be equipped with a steering mechanism that would enable the ATV to be operated from a platform or structure attached to it. 
No person shall operate any ATV, motorized two-wheeled vehicle, or motorized three-wheeled vehicle unless it is equipped with an orange flag at least 10 inches wide and 12 inches long and displayed at a minimum height of 6 feet above the top of the seat.
The use or presence of vehicles on wildlife islands, tree islands or tree strands is prohibited.
All vehicles are prohibited from the end of the established duck and coot season through April 30. Airboats are allowed during this period.
Vehicles are prohibited on all levees except L-5 and Miami Canal levees. 

[lswjth2]

Jack, the Collier park is on "leased" land from a company called ALICO. Once the New park opens up, which in my opinion is NEVER, Collier county would take the deed to this land.

Now for the second part, Holyland is land OWNED by SFWMD that is managed by FWC. That place is really a STA that allows hunting on it. SFWMD owns over 300,000 acres. They have land throughout 16 counties in the state. There's an OHV study being done right now in Miami-Dade county. About 2 to 3 weeks ago, 1 hour before the lands study was to come out, SFWMD called Parks and Rec and told them to remove all SFWMD lands as potential sites for an OHV park.

[JackL]

Jack, the Collier park is on "leased" land from a company called ALICO. Once the New park opens up, which in my opinion is NEVER, Collier county would take the deed to this land.

Now for the second part, Holyland is land OWNED by SFWMD that is managed by FWC. That place is really a STA that allows hunting on it. SFWMD owns over 300,000 acres. They have land throughout 16 counties in the state. There's an OHV study being done right now in Miami-Dade county. About 2 to 3 weeks ago, 1 hour before the lands study was to come out, SFWMD called Parks and Rec and told them to remove all SFWMD lands as potential sites for an OHV park.

I understand that and I am still absorbing that giant draft, but I already see some places folks REALLY care about a lot more in jeopardy than the Holeylands IMO, which would never be considered as an ATV park in the first place. I would be against that myself!

[jrpro130]

So no one really answered my question.

What is FWC doing about this? are they sitting at the levey and stopping everyone with atv's? are they even enforcing it?

I am riding tonight, I just don't know where I want to go just yet...chrome seems SWAMPED out!!!

[lswjth2]

The information i posted is based on the "Final Draft". It will be effective sometime this year until 2011. Once this becomes the "LAW" FWC will be/is the agency that SFMWD pays for enforcement.

[digginfool]

For whatever it's worth, this rule is nothing new.  If you go to the SFWMD website and work your way through the recreation section, you will eventually find a link to a 14 page document called "Recreation Rules."  If you read through it, you will see that this rule has always been in place and was most recently updated in July of 2006.  The key words are 'unless authorized elsewhere.'  Look to the FWC Website and find the rules for the Holeylands/Rotenberger/Everglades WMAs and you will see exactly what JackL posted above, which means the L5 and Miami Levees are still legal to ride.  There's your 'authorization elsewhere.' 

[jrpro130]

So basically there is no difference from before?

From what I understand this is not a 'new' law.  I highly doubt they will enforce this 100% either.  Tahts a lot of man hours and a LOT of officers!!!! They would have to put at least 2 officers 24hrs a day...

[Gato]

not really if you are not suppose to be there and you are they dont have to look for you just tow your rig which will suck when you get back and that only takes 1 man then just wait for you by the road not sure if they can tow but just for thought what we need to do is start making calls I know you think a few letters but if everyone sent 5 just do the math and 5 -10 calls a day would fill thier lines all-day we need to come together not asking anyone to go out of thier way but make some calls to your commisioners and maybe send some letters to the governor and basically make noise at least I am

[AmericanRobster]

All of this just plain out SUCKS!!!!!!

[jrpro130]

not really if you are not suppose to be there and you are they dont have to look for you just tow your rig which will suck when you get back and that only takes 1 man then just wait for you by the road not sure if they can tow but just for thought what we need to do is start making calls I know you think a few letters but if everyone sent 5 just do the math and 5 -10 calls a day would fill thier lines all-day we need to come together not asking anyone to go out of thier way but make some calls to your commisioners and maybe send some letters to the governor and basically make noise at least I am

I could be wrong, but they can't tow your truck unless you are obstructing a roadway, iligally parked, or some of the other reasons. 

I don't think 'bugging' the FWC will get them to open up the land.

I dunno, 4x4matt and his buddy are heading out there right now..we'll see what happens.

[crom A zone]

hello out there to all of you. I no alot of you don't care to much about me, and personally i don't care if you do or don't. i just got back from holylands, FWC was out there and did not say anything to my friend and I, or the 30 other people that where there. So i don't no who got the facts wrong on this thread, but they might wanna look into it a lil more before they scare all the people that sit on here and just post and don't ride and get all of there skirts ina bunch.  Just to let you no i was out their rode (with no beer  ) Not one thing was said to any of us so as of now i would say go out and enjoy it while you can, I no i will be so when you see me come say hi and maybe we can do a ride.




















































Are you all happy i think I did that post to all of you're liking

[jrpro130]

Matt, you are the man.

I'll be there bright and early!!!

[DOITHARD]

New to this forum...I have never been to Holylands...Are there any facilities?  Is overnight camping allowed?  I have a toyhauler not sure if its worth the trip if you cant stay overnight.

[JackL]

New to this forum...I have never been to Holylands...Are there any facilities?  Is overnight camping allowed?  I have a toyhauler not sure if its worth the trip if you cant stay overnight.

It is pretty deep right now, so if you have sport quads..no. You can camp Fri, Sat and Sun. No facilities yet.

http://myfwc.com/recreation/holey_land/visitorinfo.asp

http://myfwc.com/recreation/holey_land/recreation.asp#Hunting

[DOITHARD]

Thanks for the info...I'll check the place out in a couple of wks.

[JackL]

Thanks for the info...I'll check the place out in a couple of wks.

Post in 'where to ride' when you are going.

[DOITHARD]

Not sure exactly what dates...the RV has a slider that is not operating properly and we are waiting for the dealer to tell us when its going to be repaired...this is the fourth time for the same item...we are also contemplating legal action under the lemon law...not sure whats going to happen.