Holey Land Cleanup = FUTILE !!!!!!!!

[IXIswamperIXI]

Anoriginal,
     I agree with you 100% !!  Lets face you can get an ATV cheap compared to boats,buggies,trucks,etc.  What I mean by that is most joe smoe scum bags can afford to buy a cheap ATV to tear it up and have fun.  They wouldn't do that if they spent all there time working to save up and buy one (like all the awesome bikes I see on here).  Anyway I would say everyone on this forum MAY produce 1% of the ATV riders out there having a good time, and I guarantee you this 1% is not the problem!  Lets face it most people out there riding don't give a damn.  There in itself lies the problem.  I wish I knew a solution,  I think education is probably the best answer we got so far.  I have had problems in the past trying to get to clean ups and such but I am good to go now.(mainly broke parts or money LOL) Let me know what I can do to help!!

         Swamper

[Off Rode]

I agree with Anoriginal's theory.  I was speaking from personal experience & I have been to many of the WMA's from Central to South FL, from ones that allowed Atv's to never had allowed them & I can honestly say a blind man could see the difference now the ATV crowd has shown it's presence...........

[Thrumud]

Spoke with Jason Huckabee from FWC, they will be having a meeting Monday (not public) regarding new restrictions at Holey Land & Rotenberger.  He will call me late Monday with an update.  Things are about to change out there !   If you wish to speak to Jason contact FWC at 561-625-5122 please becareful and be wise with what you say.

[Gato]

D you think if I plan this they can provide us with some help to stand there & we should (must) get media on it let me know I am down with it

[Off Rode]

Spoke with Jason Huckabee from FWC, they will be having a meeting Monday (not public) regarding new restrictions at Holey Land & Rotenberger.  He will call me late Monday with an update.  Things are about to change out there !   If you wish to speak to Jason contact FWC at 561-625-5122 please becareful and be wise with what you say.

I guess we will wait with hope.  I HOPE they don't shut it down completely.

Thrumud, thanks for the involvement.  Keep us posted.

[johnny c]

well any word??

[canam man]

i was out there the weekend thay done the cleanup and this weekend i was truley ashamed of the trash looks like a lot of it came from people parting out there noticed a lot of beer bottles around the camp fires i think that if there is not some major regulations and fwc precince that it will be shut down to much sh*t going on out there i think drinking ban atv insp fwc patrol  would be a good start i love riding out there i just hope that something is done before it is to late i think the only way to save it is thru regulation you know there are some people that dont give a damm and will have to be forced to change it is sad ttat we have to do that to our selfs

[bftclub]

man,i'll tell you what...the trash is terrible,maybe some trash dumpsters?i think fwc should make it mandatory for all atv's,dirt bikes and whatever to have a land use sticker,charge like $50.00 a year per vehicle..and before you can purchase this sticker you must attend some kind of class...if caught without permit $250.00 fine,would get someones attention...as far as banshees,and sport bikes without off-road tires,they should be banned from holeyland area,,if they can't go in the mud whats the use,levy roads are for travelling down at a 35mph speed not drag racing and dusting everyone in there path..if caught speeding,fine should be $250.00,if caught littering fine should be $500.00,just like it is on major highways...the seminole indians,or micosukee ,whomever built a track out there off the alley for sport bikes,,they should go there,,,,you don't see us guys with our big utes riding on the sport bike track do you....each area is designed for specific riders,and holeyland area is not a speedway or trash dump......get it together people

[06 BaNsHeE]

How did I know that banshees would come into the SHOULD BE BANNED topic.

[YELLOW RR]

Last time i checked all sport atvs come w/ off road tires??? Last time i checked Holylands was not all mud, plenty of riding off the levy for sport atvs......right or wrong. I guess sport atvs are the best of both worlds.

[LTR450 994]

you cant blame all the trash on the sport bikes cause the sport bikes arent the ones carring coolers into the trails. it's just a bunch of idiots throwing the trash all over.

[Anoriginal]

It is impossible to pin the problem on any one bike style. We need to all stick together on this one. Lets not start bickering already.

[Thrumud]

Guys, I left a message 3/1 no reply yet. Will call tomorrow.

[06 BaNsHeE]

Yea If anything Utilitys should be banned because I ALWAYS see 4x4s with coolers.

[Gato]

i am 1 with ute but if you see me take something out of the cooler and not put it back u call me on it as for the discussion I am pretty sure the idiots that do it dont read these post my.02 let get back on track D thanks for the update let me know if I can help with anything

[IXIswamperIXI]

I guess BaNshee doesn't drink anything the whole time he rides!!  COME ON You mean to tell me if you ride a sport bike you don't drink out of coolers.  Coolers stay at camp or truck?  SOOO its OK to litter there not on the trail?  To me it makes NO difference whats so ever what you drive!!! I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGIAN NO ONE ON THIS FORUM IS AT FAULT!!  I am sure the implied sports bike reference before was about something someone specifically saw out there NOT ALL SPORTS BIKES.

[06 BaNsHeE]

Well I ride with a camelbak and so does mostly everyone I ride with.When We were out in the hump on sunday we cleaned up all the Beer bottles/Chickengrill plates and Cups we found and the people parked next to us did so to.Oh yeah and we were ALL on Banshees.SO its not only the banshees screwing it up for us.Ive never even been to holy lands and probably never will because I love hauling ass down levys and dirt roads and so does everyone I ride with.

[Off Rode]

Guys, I left a message 3/1 no reply yet. Will call tomorrow.

Thanks again, Thrumud.

LITTERING is only one of the problems.  Don't start the fingerpointing it is NOT constructive.   Holeyland is still currently OPEN for riding, practice what we preach & hopefully it will set the example.

[Thrumud]

Jason from the FWC has reported our conversation and concerns to his supervisor and will call me back soon.  That's all I have for now, let's wait and see what they have to say.

Dennis

[Bleedsblue]

Basically what it comes down to is they need to put baby sitters out there. Sure it's not only one type of ATV but the times I've been out there I didn't see any UTEs doing doughnuts in the parking lot spraying all of the vehciles with rocks or UTEs doing wheelies over the bridge or UTEs drag racing down the levy and nearly running over people. Not saying there aren't any idiot UTE owners but from what I witnessed it was mostly all sport quads (not just banshees )The trash was the worst in the parking lot area which comes from everyone...probably not people from this site since most of us know how precious riding spots are. Thing is NOTHING is going to change this because until someone is personally held responsible for littering, damaging vehicles in the parking lot or endangering people in the parking lot or levy then nothing will change short of shutting the place down. What incentive do the offenders have to stop? Nothing. As long as they get away with it they will continue to do it.

Bill

[06 BaNsHeE]

I seriously think we need to have an entrance fee.That will take away 3/4 of the idiots that dont really care about riding.

[Off Rode]

I seriously think we need to have an entrance fee.That will take away 3/4 of the idiots that dont really care about riding.

Remember, this is a WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AREA.  That brings in regulation from the county & state levels.  There are some WMA's that have a daily user fee but it is not usually an astronomical amount(a few dollars) & alot of times on the honor system.  I don't think that would be a deterant for the abusers of this area since it is one of the few remaining places.  Big Cypress has issues of it's own & it has National Park status with Rangers.  They can't eliminate it there so I would think enforcement in Holeyland would be more difficult to accomplish.  You will open another can of worms when you try to institute an "entrance fee" when it comes to the hunting community.  I say that because they will point the finger of blame at "recreational riders" for all of the issues we are discussing.  I still believe that it boils down to the users themselves.  Think about it, if noone littered, got injured, broke the existing laws out there, etc.........The county & state WOULDN'T have anything to scrutinize & therefore wouldn't have any reason to intervene.  It happens all the time when people congregate in numbers & things get out of hand.  Example, Columbus Day Regatta & Bartenders week in the Keys @ the sandbar.  Just 2 examples & they already have law enforcement shows about regulating the crowd & crimes.  It seems that it is unavoidable.  I just hope they don't have a "COPS" episode on Holeyland anytime soon

[prnstar123]

i think there is a few main issues that can be worked out fairly easy. 1st is the trash. FWC or someone needs to get trash cans/dumpsters out there and dumped on a regular basis. when you go to the beach there are t-cans, when you go to a park there a t-cans. Why not out there? 2nd rider safety. The flags are a great idea to be seen. i think they need to enforce a helmet law also regardless of what type of atv you ride. 3rd would be speed and reckless riding in parking areas. Just like seminole , croom etc. You can't go over like 5 mph in those areas and you sure can't be doing any wheelies there. last but not least , they should mandate every atv be registered/title. This you deter some theft as well as generate money to fund atv riding in florida. 4th as far as alcohol I think they should start by prohibiting glass containers. just my .02 cents.

[snowmanzz13]

almost sounds like an eagle scout project for me, does any one have good contacts with someone with FWC or know any numbers so i can contact them about maybe setting up permant trashcans for an eagl project, i think that would be a great personal project for me

[Thrumud]

Guys, I've called over 6 times left 4 messages and no one has called me back.  Also Rick has sent several e-mails and no replies.  I will post the number and maybe someone will have better luck.