Ticketed on your own property???

[Vegas]

No disrespect to your local law enforcemen, but I wouldn't ask them for accurate advice on this issue.

You need to get that statute number from your citation and check it yourself or have legal counsel find a way to get around it.

Cops don't always tell the truth when it comes to certain matters, and they are not compelled by the law to do so either. Contrary to popular belief, cops are entitled to lie believe it or not, when they are  in "investigative mode"...you can thank your legal system for that, all the way upto and including the Supreme Court.


(However if YOU lie to the police, that's against the law..how messed up is that?)

[YFZ450AndyH]

That is messed up Vegas.  Wait until someone steals your ATV (or anything for that matter), and Im sure the first thing you will do is call the police.  Then you will probably complain about how they do nothing.  Then after that, when the police set up a sting operation to retrieve your ATV, they will have to "lie" to the bad guy that stole it (oh no!).  "Mr Bad Guy, can you please come meet us so we can retrieve Vegas' stolen ATV?  We know you have it and he wants it back."  How often do you think that would work?  Criminals lie, cheat and steal.  Therefore the police are forced to make it an even playing field.  You can also "thank our legal system" for criminals having so many rights, and them getting away so easily.

Until anyone walks in the shoes of  law enforcement officer, they have no right to make judgments.  

[4xPlay]

i think it is wrong for some old fart or some old bag to complain about you riding on your property and complain about the peace.the bike are not made to be super quit.if they dont like the noise then they should leave the area.

Honda rider.how do you know they were old,and if they dont like the noise they should leave,what if they were there first........come on honda........I ride too,but thats not the answer

[donnie_darko]

That's so messed up!!! i was thinking about buying 10-15 acres just for riding quads and build a home in the next few years. so now you tell me i can't ride on my property.

[PBSO_ATV_Deputy_4]

Like Dead mullet stated, cities have stricter ordinances. I would visit the Jupiter Police Dept. and request a copy of the ordinance you were charged with so you can fully understand the charge. You may also request a supervisor to meet with you and discuss the issue. Ultimately, if a court date was issued, present your case to the court and let the judge resolve the issue.

[Vegas]

Woah Andy!  Ease up on the caffeine, bro. I'm merely stating facts.

I'm suggesting that asking the people who are issuing the summons may not be the best option, as they would not be the most "objective" of sources to consult.

As far as your hypotheticals, with ATV's being stolen, and me calling the police...get real bro, you have no idea what I would do or how I would act.

Stick with the topic.

Peace out.

[tvman]

VICTORY IS SWEET!!!!

Just a note to thank everyone for giving constructive anbd supportive advice on this thread..

Yesterday my buddy met with a Jupiter Police Leiutenant and discussed the situation rearding the summons. Yes, Jupiter does have a noise ordinance, but since the citation was made during the middle of the day, the general consensus is that it will not hold in Court.

Based on the consultation with the attorney, the ticket will be "thrown out". It appears that the officer issuing the citation was just trying push his weight a bit. AS for the neighbors, they have vowed to call the police until the situation is eliminated....According to the attorney, they will need a petition if they can ever hope to make any progress.

My friend has tried to discuss this with them, but they just want their peace and quiet. He's even asked the neighbors to call him when they are going to be out and he will ride then...These people are in their 70's and have been in Jupiter for 30 years....They just hate kids...

Anyway..it appears to be a victory for the ATV riding public..

tvman

[Vegas]

Chalk one up for the ATV crowd!

Congrats on the good news.

[YFZ450AndyH]

Vegas, what do you mean stick to the topic?  Youre the one who flew off on the tangent about cops being able to lie.  

And when/if your ATV does get stolen, why dont you handle it yourself?  That will save the taxpayers some money......

[YFZ450AndyH]

Hey PBSO, this is worse than working the 'hood.  There are a ton of cop haters in here.  

[Vegas]

Andy,

I just stated a fact, that the cops may not be telling the entire truth, when trying to get people to comply with their desires. I merely advised that legal counsel or further research with regards to local statutes, would be appropriate.

I never said anything about hating cops.

You're awfully defensive, buddy.

And if you refer to the post where the original poster spoke of the resolution, you'll in fact see that he stated it was a case of a cop attempting to "throw his weight around".

I just think it's important for people to know that just because a cop says something with regards to the law, it doesn't make it so.  

I take it your in some form of law enforcement. If you want to give me your address I'll send you a dozen doughnuts as a peace offering (bad joke).

Anyway, I'm glad the issue was resolved.

Peace out

Bad Cops Get No Doughnuts!

[Vegas]

P.S.

You keep bringing up the theft of my ATV.

Do you know something you're not telling me?


Peace out Andy

[Limolarry]

Hey guys, there was a similar situation a few weeks ago printed on the front page of the Ocala Star Banner newspaper. A family in Belleview has an atv track on their 5 acres for the kids to ride then a New York family moves into their newly built home next door and complains about the kids riding and all the dust its creating and ruining their property value. They have called law enforcement several times telling them that they feel they are a prisoner in their own home because of the riding next door. These people have lived here in the woods for the last 15 years. The newspaper states that Marion county officials cannot enforce riding of atvs on private property so they are instead going to create a noise ordinance to deal with loud atvs and dirt bike riding on private property. Too many complaints of these bikes being a nuisance. My wife is a waitress and waits on one of the county code enforcement officials and he told her that they are indeed working on this issue.
A week after hearing this I decided to bring in the heavy equipment and start digging some pits. My back yard now looks like a mining quarry. I was thinking that if Marion county decided to have a say so about atv tracks then I would be grandfathered in. To many polititians and their bullcrap have made us think about moving to north Florida far away from anyone.

[qt314nfla]

Before running out and checking out the decibles of noise that things are creating I'd agree w/ everyone else to check the statute.  If there is an ordinance and you have a decible level measured you could be burying yourself.

I know in Sarasota the noise ordinance is in effect from 10pm till some time in the am.  I also know that the north port police talk about us being above the noise level.  They also have nothing to measure it.

Know the statute and law.  If they want to enforce it if there is one in place let them measure it.  Don't do the work for them.  Most of the time they have nothing to measure it with and can therefore do nothing.  Also, by the same token if they do measure it then I would consider asking them to measure the other gas powered tools that were listed in this thread.

Best bet is to meet w/ the people and try to resolve a compromise before ww3 starts.  It's hard for people to get upset with you if they see you as a polite and kind person.  Key is that they have to see you as a person, not just and obnoxious noise maker.

[tvman]

Th real test comes this weekend when they go back out here riding on the property...

They have a copy of the noise ordinanance statute on hand..I guess they will force the police to get a reading if they want to issue another citation... However, I feel the police LT. has had a chat with the officer involved...

Jupiter is still a small enough town that politics goes a long way..

tvman

[YFZ450AndyH]

Thanks for the donut offer, Vegas.  If we ever hook up for a ride, make sure you bring them fresh!  

[yunt2ride]

Th real test comes this weekend when they go back out here riding on the property...

They have a copy of the noise ordinanance statute on hand..I guess they will force the police to get a reading if they want to issue another citation... However, I feel the police LT. has had a chat with the officer involved...

Jupiter is still a small enough town that politics goes a long way..

tvman

If the ordinance has a certain time frame and you are not in it, then they do not have a foot to stand on. Keep riding and take them to court. Then call your neighbor and let them know that if they call the police again, you will start earlier and end as late as possible.

[Skitzo]

Welcome to politics 101!! I am assuming that either one of two things are involved. 1). The neighbors that complained have more money than that of your buddy that got the ticket or 2). The neightbor that complained owns the Doughnut shop that the officers attend regularily.

[bftclub]

i think you should have a neighborhood party,get to know your neighbors,leave the quads in the garage,let people get to know you and your family for who you really are,not that you just get out the toys and make lots of noise..this way when the old farts go around the neighbor hood trying to get a partion signed,your neighbors will remember the family that had a great party and were very friendly and nice people and not sign the petion....anotherwards butter up your neighbors,make them think your way kool....