I may have us a new place to ride .

[Hummpty]

So whats finally going to happen? Anyway I can help?  All I know is that insurance for these types of sports like paintball and skating dont come cheap. So I can't even begin to think how much this is going to be! Besides that, this sounds great!

[J.D.]

At this stage, we are still trying to obtain insurance.  Due to the value of the land we are wanting to lease, the risk of a law suit is greater.  If no assets or assets worth very little were involved, this would not be an issue.  Otherwise we could just say, "Use at your own risk" and not carry insurance, but the landowner is at great risk for a lawsuit and we need to insure his well-being.

[Eworm]

At this stage, we are still trying to obtain insurance.  Due to the value of the land we are wanting to lease, the risk of a law suit is greater.  If no assets or assets worth very little were involved, this would not be an issue.  Otherwise we could just say, "Use at your own risk" and not carry insurance, but the landowner is at great risk for a lawsuit and we need to insure his well-being.

JD: I know several INS. agents down south that work with a huge amount of INS. companies that may able to help. PM me if anything.

[customrubicon]

JD As you know I have had to get the insurance for my property in Michigan for when I host riding events. There are insurance companies that handle things like this but they are not the ones that you call for car, home and life insurance. I got mine through Ohio Casualty. I will call tomorrow to get the number for you. I think that they handle most states.
Just remeber that it will be very expensive. You could also PM mudmaster about who handles the L-cross insurance. Tony

[J.D.]

The first company to give us a quote is 17,000 per year . Out of about 50 companies they are the first to even say it is possible . Now it is time to break out the calculator again .

[Toomey]

Hey, a $10 entry fee to the park, and with 1,700 riders a year (easily done), you're set to go.  Make it $15 and that'll cover other odds and ends, but I'm sure you've already thought this through, for a while now.  
If you haven't asked the Seminole track, maybe they could tell you what insurance they use, that sorta stuff.

[Eworm]

Well, that is not that bad JD. If we get 350 members at $50.00 per member (kids ride free), we would have the 17K. the first 350 would have advantage as far as rights to camp there or something like that, just an idea. I think it may feasible. We should take a pole and see how many we can get to pay $50.00 for a yearly membership.

[J.D.]

Dont forget we have to pay the landowner . That is just the price of insurance !

[Eworm]

Dont forget we have to pay the landowner . That is just the price of insurance !

Yeah that would be something we would need to include, DUH! I got a little excited there. As it is now, we have had about 100 responses to this thread injcluding those who said: me and probably 2,3,4,10 friends. I still think it is doable.

[howard]

Count me in I live in port st lucie at the end of Del-Rio

[Skitzo]

Count me in as well! Over at river ranch acreage you not only have to own a deed there but you also have yearly fees associated with the land. I think that having yearly fees is a good thing and it helps to insure that people are serious is when it cost them so that when it is all said and done you aren't stuck with the bill.  L-Cross is charging 35.00 per weekend and they are only operating once per month. Imagine if you could operate everyweekend!

Keep up the good work and if there is anything I can do to help let me know!!!

[yfz450psycho]

JD COUNT ME AND ABOUT 4 OTHER ROSSER RIDERS IN  ONE FRIEND IS BUYING A RAPTOR TODAY SO WE NEED TO KEEP A PLACE TO RIDE

[ROC0999]

I'd pay 50 dollars a year for a nice place to ride for me and my kids

[ROC0999]

I also know quite a few other people who would be willing to pay for a place to have a good legal fun to ride and not be hassled

[shotoftequila]

There is a group of us willing to help out. Would love to have someplace close and safe to ride. Let me know what we can do.

[tvman]

Hey:

Have you thought of making a founding members club..Lets say we pay $2500 or so and get some real privileges or something...Like a VIP Club..we get our own reserved camp site...parking, etc.

You could have this thing paid for by tonight...I'm in no matter what the cost.

tvman

[customrubicon]

I am only allowed 100 riders at one time per 90 acres. J.D. do you know if the insurance company has given you any restrictions. Have you discussed with the county about camping ? I am also restricted on the number of RV's that are allowed per acre. I do this as a property owner not to make money but the love of the sport. Do you know what the land owner is looking for ? In dollars of course. I found out that the company that handles my insurance does not provide insurance in Florida. The $ 17,000.00 sounds good to me. That is cheaper than what I would pay if I was allowed to do it year round. My insurance would equal $ 30,000.00+ a year.

Is the property fenced ? If you charge $ 200.00 a year membership this including all fees and camping. I feel that you could easily get 200-500 members to buy in. This would bring in $ 40,000.00-100,00.00. to pay owner, insurance, port-o-lets, garbage dumpsters, lighting (at parking area),fence repairs etc.

[JimmyT]

how far of a drive would it be from psl and where is this place?if its close i got about 5 people who could help

[J.D.]

Right now the people who were backing me are getting nervous . Here is my idea " A group a people create a non for profit org ..... " this would be the riders "....Get enough of us together to cover the insurance an a profit for the landowner .The problem I am running into is the money people want to make money.....we need to take them out of the equation and make sure the only person to profit is the landowner . Some of my partners may be getting cold feet because of the money , but I just want a place to ride ..
We as a company are still working on it and it is a very frustrating experience but I am starting to feel that we need to handle it amongst ourselves . We have to knock out the middle MAN . I will talk with the landowner soon " Joey " I think we can get around some of our hurdles if we work together and not with the middle "money "man involved

[rubicon500kid]

i know at least 10 peopel that would pay like 50 a year for entry

[tvman]

Hey JD:

I think you're seeing here that you can probably get enough players on ATV FLorida to give you the initisl investment you would require to fund this project.

Collectively, we are all just looking for a place we can call our own to ride and enjoy..

A Non-Profit Co is a good idea...Great tax benefits and the ability to have a large membership to fund ongoing expansion of ATV riding in the State of Florida..Finally, a voice that will be heard...

tvman

[J.D.]

If we could get our 35 bucks back it would be a good start . When someone tries to get a park like this going , if you do not own the land yourself the fees you must charge to cover your expenses get ridiculous . We would have to charge 50 bucks a day just for people to ride and it is just too much $ .It almost seems like we are going to have to do it with small groups. We will have to find a willing landowner , get our own insurance as a group , construct our own area . It is just not fair that the state will not help us out. If the state would simply limit the landowners liability our problems would be over .  Their committee on riding areas including MR. Bronson have not done anything but waste our money and close more of our trails . How much worse can it get ? We should not have to go to these extremes to have places in our areas to ride. Our rights are being stomped all over and nothing is being done about it .

[CA650]

HEY JD I'M NEW BUT I CAN HELP WITH ANY WORK TUESDAYS TROUGH FRIDAYS AND I CAN ASK MY BROTHER IN-LAW, BECAUSE HE HAS A NURSERY AND KNOWS ALL NATIVE FLORIDA PLANTS BECAUSE THATS ALL HE DEALS WITH.

[500runner]

like i said before in manys posts,  STOP THE FL ATV TITLE SCAM!!!  they taking out $$$$$$$  and giving us 000000  dont buy NEW atvs  and dont TILTE your used ATV!!!!  

[J.D.]

We got some new insurance numbers that are a little better .Up to 250,000 riders per year . Now we go back to the land owner , He said he had another piece of land a little bigger . Size matters . We are still working on it .