Supermoto Racing in Ocala. Who Would Come?

[fastrnrik]

If there was a Supermoto facility available to quads in the Ocala area, who would come and race? I need honest answers and opinions as to who would be interested in this type of racing.

[Fox17]

i would if i had a bike for that. would there be quad supermoto? or just bike? i never heard of quads (other than in mx vs atv unleashed).

[fastrnrik]

Supermoto for Q U A D S. Supermoto for quads is popular out west, but is still fairly new here. 

[Quad32x]

Im in !

[Fox17]

i guess i should have read it better. sorry. anyway i would give it a try. anything special you need to do it? like tires suspension etc? it seems like it would be a lot of fun.

[LT-R450ApK]

I'd do it

[fastrnrik]

The only specific requirements that were mentioned to me were:
*Wire in oil drain plug.
*Catch can for anti-freeze overflow
*Remove or tape up lights, so if broke, no glass on track

I don't think a particular setup would be required to start. Obviously the flat track bikes would do well, but I think a good MX setup would work fine.

[550superquad]

count me in ladies 

[Fox17]

The only specific requirements that were mentioned to me were:
*Wire in oil drain plug.
*Catch can for anti-freeze overflow
*Remove or tape up lights, so if broke, no glass on track

I don't think a particular setup would be required to start. Obviously the flat track bikes would do well, but I think a good MX setup would work fine.

ok. well if they have it soon shoot me a pm with the info and what to do bout the drain plug and a catch can. i neve rheard of those b4.

[Hoosier Daddy]

WAIT!!! do I have to turn right....? because i cant do that! 

[450r91]

Actually a mx set-up is the best set-up for a REAL supermoto race. A realy track will not only have a bunch of turns it will have nice size jumps as well not mx big but they will be descent sized jumps. Outwest mx-setup is ur best bet. If its a real supermoto track im in but if its all asphault then it serves no purpose.

[Quad32x]

Where would you have it ?

[550superquad]

Where would you have it ?

you only THINK your grasshopper is faster than mine beotch !!

[fastrnrik]

Let's be realistic here. It's not an X Games caliber Supermoto track with the big jumps. I've only seen photos so far, but it looks like a very nice facility. I'm going out there tomorrow to see the place in person and watch the motorcycles race . The photos show what I think is a large asphalt portion with the dirt section, however I think the way the picture is taken makes it hard to judge exactly what the dirt section actually looks like, as far as jumps go. I will post more info and maybe some pic's after I see the place in person.

Yeah Hoosier, we have to turn right (and left, and right, and then left again lol). I don't know if I can remember how either?

In all seriousness, what exactly is a "REAL" Supermoto race as defined by you 450r91? I'm curious because I am by no means a Supermoto authority.

Tim, if I told you where it was I would have to kill you. Hve you made it to Starke? PM me for more info.

[Fox17]

please remember to take a camera when you go. we want like 50 detailed pics. get in a helicopter and get an arial shot too. i wanna see this place. im glad it is not a xgames caliber track. that would be a lil hard for me. anyway DONT FORGET THE CAMERA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[01ZX12R]

I'm in for the Supermoto

[450r91]

By no means was I expecting a x games style track just saying its not worth going to a place that only has tt style jumps and not much dirt involved, honestly i would probably take what we can get, but it would be hard for me to come out if its only tt sized jumps on the track and its not challenging that all my intent ment

[Fox17]

i would like the jumps to be tables though. not doubles or tripples. im not too good at jumpin yet.

[fastrnrik]

 Ok, I just got back from the Supermoto race. It was drizzling rain, and these guys were crashing all over the place (yeah, they race on asphalt in the rain. ) The track has a larger asphalt section than dirt section. The jumps in the dirt section were not very big, but the motorcycles were getting some pretty good air. The jumps actually look pretty quad friendly. There is a picture of the track at www.ocalagranprix.com. After watching the racing, a flat track / TT type setup would work better at this track than a MX set up due to the fact that a large portion of the race is on the twisty  asphalt. I met with the president of Southern Supermoto (their association), and he is willing to let quads race, as long as his insurance will cover us. He is going to let me know next week what the final answer from the insurance company is.
 Normal entry fees for motorcycles range from $65.00 to $85.00. I convinced him to let quads race for $50.00.
 There a some pretty specific requirements to this type racing, such as:
* All fluid (radiator, engine oil, etc.) fills and drains must be wired in place.
* Engine coolant replaced with a product such as "Engine Ice". Normal anti-freeze gets  slippery if spilled.
*Catch cans on radiator and carb. Several guys had water bottles zip tied on for this.
*They prefer no lights. At the very least, all lights must be taped up.
*Nerf Bars.   

 I took some pic's, so I will try to post them tomorrow.
   

[dreth]

sounds like alot of work and $50 to race is to much for me so take me off the list.

[Pro52R]

HELL YES...




Count me in...

I've been wanting to supermoto for coons ages...

Add em a sway bar and I'm good to go....

I don't have many overflows and yes sir...when this gonna happen?

[fastrnrik]

The next race in Ocala is Sept. 23rd. It takes a minimum of 5 quads for them to allow us to race.

[Ex Racer]

  Sounds very interesting. I wonder what kind of tires to run??

[fastrnrik]

You'd want to run a Hoosier or American Racer type flat track tire at this track. A little harder compound would be better, due to the asphalt, but it wouldn't really matter starting out. The motorcycles run slicks.

[Ex Racer]

  Thanks for the info. I wonder where is the best place to find these tires (magazine?). I also wonder if guys will be lowering their quads? Or are the jumps too big? Thanks in advance.

[Ex Racer]

  Just went to ebay and noticed quite a few sets for sale. None of them specify compound, however.

[fastrnrik]

Us flat track guys already have the lowered quads with the Hoosier tires. The jumps are not that big, but with my setup, I wouldn't be able to air it out over them. Ebay has several sets of used tires, I will PM you some item #'s to look later today.

[450r91]

Another good conpund tire would be the soft mx i razr's, So hows it looking or should i say is this definate?

[fastrnrik]

We would need at least 5 quads (to make a class) that pass their safety inspection. The man in charge of Southern Supermoto Association hasn't gave me the green light on the insurance yet. I will email him again today. If 5 people sound off that they want to do it FOR SURE, I will press the guy a little harder. After I posted all the details and price, interest seemed to die off a little. The next race is in Ocala on Sept. 23rd. Apparently there is a track in Starke also, but I've never seen it. It's supposed to have a bigger dirt section?


In Ocala, I would definately run hoosiers on the back at least, it's up to you though.

[450r91]

I dunno, i think im going to just stick with the mx-setup cause its cheaper for me cause i pretty much have everything to set my bike up for the motocross set-up on motard, if it doesnt work i will try the hoosiers but im definatly in and i know like 5 other people that will do it so right there is enough and im sure if we just talk around we can get alot more people.

[fastrnrik]

 

[450r91]

So lets definatly get this straight so we know! How many people are willing to do this? I know we can defiantly get 5 people but it would be nice for a descent turnout! Have you heard anything else from the guy yet Brady>?

[fastrnrik]

I haven't spoke to him in a week or two. There will be a some supermoto racers at Thunderbowl on the 16th. I will email him tomorrow.
Why don't you try the flat track out? I swear if you try it, you'll love it. It's VERY fast and competitive.

[Mark Potter]

I'm sure this is a stupid, but I'll nerver find out unless I ask...

Supermoto on Quads?...on concrete?...I don't get it...sounds like a total pain in the ass...

Quads have a fixed axle and when diven on concrete DON'T want to turn they want to push forward since thay have that fixed single axle. All the sports I know of with quads has them sliding or swinging the rear around in a sliding motion and i don't see how this is done on concrete with flattrack tires or any type of tire. Driving my quad on concrete sucks....I have to force it to turn.

I get it for the bikes as they use road race tires and lean but a quad? outside of the dirt part of the track it seams to me it would be a pregnant dog to try and get a quad around a supermoto course. Am I missing something here? how are the quads driven on the concrete part of a supermoto course?

Now if was all dirt/clay that would be sweet for quads but if you take away the concrete I guess that is a TT course right?...TT racing does sound like it would be twice the fun of flattracking though...left turns, right turns and small jumps!..all on a dirt/clay surface letting the quad slide around...Very Cool!

[450r91]

Yea your definatly not helping out the stake at matter. Supermoto is very popular out west and now trying to bring it to the eastcoast. When you have enough power and a descent set-up you can slide around the turns just like tt. Dont knock on it till you try it

[Mark Potter]

Yea your definatly not helping out the stake at matter. Supermoto is very popular out west and now trying to bring it to the eastcoast. When you have enough power and a descent set-up you can slide around the turns just like tt. Dont knock on it till you try it

Sorry if my opinion of riding a quad on concrete has ruffled your feathers I was simply saying that I was not getting how a quad slides around on concrete and asking for  see if maybe I am not understanding things...but, your ever so insightful answer cleared that up.

I would not want to be the reason that this sport does not take-off so how about this...

ATTENTION POSSIABLE SUPERMOTO QUAD RACERS: Please ignore my prior post regarding riding/racing a quad on concrete I was obviously out-of-my-mind and not having first hand knowledge of said riding/racing should have not spoken in such a negative manner.

We all good now?

[Ex Racer]

  Although your theory makes sense, I recently ran my Lt-r around the industrial park where my shop is (stock tires) and through sweeping corners the bike consisitently got "loose" (rear coming around first) when pushed to the limit. Also don't forget that if your bike tends to "push" on the asphalt, you can always lean as far forward as possible. They do supermoto quads in the west as there was a supermoto banshee recently featured in one of the magazines. I am sure that this will be an awesome form of quad racing, and I hope to participate!!

[Mark Potter]

  Although your theory makes sense, I recently ran my Lt-r around the industrial park where my shop is (stock tires) and through sweeping corners the bike consisitently got "loose" (rear coming around first) when pushed to the limit. Also don't forget that if your bike tends to "push" on the asphalt, you can always lean as far forward as possible. They do supermoto quads in the west as there was a supermoto banshee recently featured in one of the magazines. I am sure that this will be an awesome form of quad racing, and I hope to participate!!

Ex Racer, thanks for the info! When you are turning are you squaring it off and kicking the rear around or are you in more of a highspeed sweep or drift? I just got flattrack tires on my z400 for Ocala and was buzzing around the neighborhood and it was gripping like it was on rails and it felt that if I were to push it I would have a bad case of road-rash. I really would like to see this "in action" if you know of any sites that I can poke around to get more info please let me know.

[Ex Racer]

  A sweeping corner at almost a steady (fairly high) speed. This is with stock tires all the way around. Do you have flat track tires on the rear, and stock tires on the front? If that is the case, I am certain that your "push" is probably all the extra tread that the rear tires have contacting the pavement compared to the fronts. But to answer your first question, no, I did not have to force the rear around whatsovever.