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« on: August 15, 2006, 08:08:34 AM »

As I was walking out of Einsteins this morning out of the corner of my eye I see the Tampa Bay Times - its a local little magazine/paper like the Weekly Planet. Well it caught my eye because the cover shows one of the pro riders (not sure who) with the caption FATAL FUN. Under that it says 13yr old girl has been killed and three other people serouisly injured in ATV crashes in a little more than a week. Still, the vehicles are barely regulated. And guess what - in October, a new state law will allow atvs to be ridden on unpaved public roads.

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Gloria Everett didn't know an all-terrain vehicle had crashed in the woods near her Hernando County home Saturday until a 12-year-old girl showed up at her door, sobbing.

"She's telling me, 'We had an accident and we need help,' " Everett recalled. The girl, Angeline Delpilar, said her cousin wasn't moving.

"She's lying there," Angeline told Everett. "I can't wake her up. Her eyes are in the back of her head. ... I didn't mean for it to happen."

The death of Danielle M. Frascello, 13, was the fourth serious wreck in the Tampa Bay area involving ATVs in just over a week. The girls were riding a vehicle built for one when they hit a tree. In Hillsborough County, three people, one younger than 16, were hurt in separate incidents when they lost control of their ATVs.

More than 15-million people nationwide ride ATVs, according to the industry, and about 900,000 of them were sold last year. As sales have revved up, so has the number of people who have been hurt riding them.

Few rules govern the off-road vehicles, which are especially popular in rural areas. In Florida, they cannot be used on public roads, and on private property the only real restriction is that riders under 16 must wear helmets.

On Oct. 1, a new state law will allow ATVs to be ridden on unpaved public roads where the speed limit is under 35 mph, among other restrictions, officials said.

"On private property, you could put an infant on one," said Cpl. Demetrios Antoniadis of the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.

Scott Wolfson, spokesman for the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, said, "We have data that's showing more than 400 deaths per year with ATVs nationally, and the state of Florida ranks among the top 10 in ATV-related deaths. We have seen an increase in death and injuries as these ATVs have become more popular."

That includes 72 deaths in Florida from 2002 through 2004, the last period for which data is available, Wolfson said.

About a third of deaths and injuries involve victims under 16.

On Saturday, Angeline and Danielle were riding a 2001 Arctic Cat 250, which belongs to Danielle's father. It is a single-rider vehicle with a maximum speed around 50 mph and a big engine. The girls were riding it down a narrow dirt road in the woods, past signs that said "Motorized Vehicles Prohibited."

It was one of many makeshift tracks that pepper the rural parts of the North Suncoast, where ATVs are popular.

Somehow the girls ended up in the trees.

Angeline found her way through the woods to Everett's house. After they called 911, Everett took the distraught girl in her arms.

Danielle, an eighth-grade honor student who liked to play soccer, died at Tampa General Hospital.

Angeline was treated for minor injuries and released.

Neither girl was wearing a helmet.

Everett said the wreck made her angry.

"I blame the parents," she said. "They should have had helmets."

The Frascello family declined Monday to talk about the loss of their daughter.

Consumer and industry advocates stress that following safety rules, even voluntary ones, can prevent accidents: never ride an ATV intended for one person with a passenger; never ride an ATV on paved surfaces; always wear a helmet; and never let a child younger than 16 get on an adult-size machine.

"You wouldn't take a beginner snow skier and take him on a double black diamond trail. You just wouldn't do that," said Tom Yager, the vice president of safety programs for the All-Terrain Vehicle Safety Institute, a nonprofit industry group. "As a responsible parent you get the appropriate gear. That nowadays would include a helmet."

The other recent cases in Tampa Bay have not resulted in death, but some of the riders have been seriously injured.

On Aug. 5, an Odessa teen was hospitalized after the ATV he was driving flipped. Christopher R. Martinez, 15, was pulling an inflatable raft behind the ATV when the strap connecting the two got caught under the ATV, throwing him onto the pavement, said sheriff's Detective Lisa Haber-Bosley.

Martinez was released from St. Joseph's Hospital on Aug. 11. A message left Monday afternoon for his family was not returned.

On Thursday, a Seffner man was taken to Tampa General Hospital after he lost control of the ATV he was driving, flipping the vehicle. Nathan Allidice, 39, remained in critical condition at the hospital, said hospital spokeswoman Ellen Fiss.

On Saturday, 29-year-old Tampa resident Lavar Baugh was seriously injured when his ATV collided with a Toyota, police said. The impact knocked Baugh from the ATV. He remained in intensive care at Tampa General Hospital on Monday, Fiss said.

Neil Reinhardt, associate director of the pediatric emergency room at Tampa General Hospital, was in the emergency room when Danielle Frascello died.

He has seen too many of these crashes recently.

"You turn the human body into a missile at these speeds and when it runs into a tree, the tree is going to win," he said. "Most of the deaths are all because they don't wear a helmet."

Jonathan Abel can be reached at jabel@sptimes.com or (352) 754-6114.

Link to the article:
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/08/15/Tampabay/ATV_usage__injuries_o.shtml
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2006, 08:45:54 AM »

I would say time to respond. 

Yes this is very tragic, but you can't blame the atv, in this case, unfortanetly one must question the parent for allowing doubles and no helmet.  However, I hate judging anyone.  Perhaps we can back up with some statistics, say State of Florida, # of motor vehicle accidents, # of bike accidents, ect, then turn around and ask the question, why only come down on the ATV. 

Can it be dangerous, absolutely.  That's why training, experience and parent involvment is crucial.  Hell, from the time I was 3 years old I was riding horses, and started Barrel Racing at 6 or 7 years old.  There are so many things that can go wrong, and I have seen a lot of them.  You can control an ATV, but you can't always control how a horse will react to something that spokes them or taking that barrel to sharp and they end up on top of you.  There is an inherit risk in almost everything we do, so what are we going to do ban everything.  Oh yea, isn't drowning the like the # one cause of death for kids under 12, so yea, let's ban swimming too.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2006, 08:59:21 AM »

On Oct. 1, a new state law will allow ATVs to be ridden on unpaved public roads where the speed limit is under 35 mph, among other restrictions, officials said.


Did anyone know about this.
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 09:08:06 AM »

On Oct. 1, a new state law will allow ATVs to be ridden on unpaved public roads where the speed limit is under 35 mph, among other restrictions, officials said.


Did anyone know about this.

That news to me Shocked
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 09:08:41 AM »

It's like blaming a gun for a murder. It's rediculous. The answer is proper safety equipment, good judgment and riding the correct size quad for your size and ability.
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 09:53:50 AM »

As far as the being able to ride on unpaved roads..we had a thread on here that was started about that a while ago. I tried to do a search and was not able to find it. Maybe someone else will remember the article.

Cheopride - I couldn't agree with you more! It is time to react. It is time for parents to be held personaly accountable for the endangerment of their child. We see it all to often and this article points out 2 instances where the parents could have possibly prevented these accidents. At least this article pointed out that the children were on an atv they shouldn't have been - riding 2 people on a 1 person atv and not wearing a helmet. Not to be harsh but who is to blame here folks. The PARENTS!! We all have been riding when our stomach turns at the site of the kid that can't be more than 8-10 riding a 250 with no helmet and no gear! Again who is at fault? The parent. I truely feel parents should be ticketed when their child is caught riding an atv with no helmet. It would not bother me one bit if a law like that was passed because my son can't even move his 2 feet with out his helmet on! Maybe that would make more parents make their kids wear one! If nothing else to not get a fine!

The analogy to the horses was great! My son was thrown off a horse when he was 5 he is now 6. I haven't been able to get him back one since. He has flipped his atv 3 times and gets right back on it. Why he knows it was his fault and he didn't get hurt when he went flying and hit his head why because he had his helmet and chest protector on. He said the horse has a mind of its own - my quad dosen't think! 

It is just like the number of motorcycle deaths has increased since the no helmet law was removed!!!

Also I would like to note the article on the internet is different than the one published in print. The internet one has more information in it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2006, 09:59:36 AM »

On Oct. 1, a new state law will allow ATVs to be ridden on unpaved public roads where the speed limit is under 35 mph, among other restrictions, officials said.


Did anyone know about this.


That news to me Shocked





Here you go guys I found the link that includes the Florida Statutes.

http://www.atvflorida.com/forum/index.php/topic,15776.msg204102.html#msg204102



Here is the other link to the article I had read I thought the one I posted was the one I read and it wasn't ..the one I posted is different than this one. Mostly the same thing but it shows the cover here with the pic of the rider:
http://www.tbt.com/index.jsp
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2006, 10:19:05 AM »

So agree w/you, I guess great minds think alike, or no maybe we are not nitwits...

Out of disgust, went on CDC for statistics on deaths for kids under 16.  Found one for kids under 15, based on 2003 data.

#1 Motorvehicle 112
#2 Drowning 103

ATVS = 14
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**8 of the 14 were considered on major road/highway and streets.  Keep in mind, this is under 15. And 2 of them were ages 5-9.  PARENTS!!!!
**Another thing was the definition for ATV was "Occupant of special ATV or other MV designed for offroad".  Hello, that could be anything.  Perhaps that is part of the problem, the usage of the "ATV" afterall is stands for All Terrain Vehicle".  You see how they can take the data and then just contribute all injuries and/or death to the ATV/4wheeler. 

I'm fired up now.  May take a few days, maybe even a week.  But I am going to continue to compile this type of data and then respond to her article.  I will then take it to anyone who will or will not listen.  Enough is Enough.

And yes, the parents must be held accountable.  If our child does not have their seatbelt on, then we are ticketed.  I really feel if parents were held more accountable, the death/injury would drop.  The numbers prove it, look 8 of 14 were on major roads - under 14 that's wrong. 

Thanks for the info lovenit.  I need to really stop reading forum in morning, get so side tracked....
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 10:23:02 AM »



More than 15-million people nationwide ride ATVs, according to the industry, and about 900,000 of them were sold last year. As sales have revved up, so has the number of people who have been hurt riding them.

All I can say is "Are you freakin kidding me?"  Of course the number of injuries would rise when the number of sales rise. Thats called statistics and probability. When people say stuff like that I get some mad, because they try to make it sound so bad. I also noticed that all of these accidents that were reported on were the result of stupidity and carelessness.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2006, 10:40:12 AM »

cheropride - sent ya a pm  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2006, 11:17:46 AM »

Thanks Loven it, I bumped it up for who missed it like me.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2006, 11:34:03 AM »

Don't get me wrong because the statistics speak for themselves regarding accidents when riding two-up.  However, could it be the behavior of the driver trying to impress or scare the rider rather than the load that is to blame.  My Kawasaki Prairie 400 is rated for one rider but at the same time, it can carry 154 lbs. on the back and simultaneously carry 88 lbs. on the front including the operator at 200 lbs.  Granted, we're not talking about a live load but the quad is obviously built to carry enough weight for two people.  In fact, two 150 lb. people riding on the seat would be more stable than a single 150 lb. rider with a 150 lb. load on the rear rack due to the load being concentrated closer to the center of gravity.  Just something to think about.  I believe education and supervision is the answer to the problems we have with children getting injured.  It's never a good thing when the government starts to legislate common sense because we all lose.  Unfortunately, we all will pay the price for these lacks of judgement; mandatory speed limiters, aggressive enforcement of new rules, etc.  The interesting thing to notice is that there is no mention of restrictions for off-road motorcycles.  I guess two wheelers learned long ago that it hurts to fall down and therefore, they dress for it.
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2006, 12:31:46 PM »

Great ideas here guys.  Lets get something educated in print.  I'm in agreement that everyone always pokes at ATV's.  Look at the number of deaths from little league football.  I'm sure there's another statistic there.  Or the number of injuries in standardized sports even w/ protection.  Also, it was mentioned that the number of ATV incidents in Florida is higher.  Two possible reasons 1. the increased population buying them.  2. Lack of legal riding areas.  Which proves more of our point that we have a major need for more legal riding areas in the state.
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