Construction out at Holeylands?

[digginfool]

As a civil engineer, I keep a subscription to several bid notification services.  The SFWMD is accepting bids for work at the end of 5 miles of paved roads at the Broward/Palm Beach County line.  Sounds like Holeylands/Rotenberger/Everglades WMA to me.  The project description is to build a pavilion, boat ramp with finger piers, information kiosks, bathrooms, demucking, paving, storm drainage and landscaping.  Based upon the SFWMD's actions over the last couple of years (closing Badluck and the area in Lee County last week), I fear that we will soon lose our area here.  With the improvements comes more visitors (read: environmentalists) who will not stand for our presence.  For those of you who wish to investigate on your own, the SFWMD Project Number is RFB6000000012, Harold A Campbell Public Use Facility.

[cheropride]

Wow - thanks for the info, and if this is what it sounds like, then it ain't good....

[Thrumud]

If the SFWMD think they are going to take Holey Land from us then the battle will become a war. 

There are hundreds of OHVs enthusiast that enjoy this area and I don't think they'll let go without a good fight.

SFWMD is the cause of several enviromental damages throughout the southern state.  Guys we need to wake up.  Ever since the Picayune Forest issue (aka Badluck / S. Golden Gate Estates ) these pr!cks are on an attack on OHV / ATVs.   

Thanks to Pr!ck Jeb Bush we are in this battle.   

WE ARE ASKING YOU GUYS TO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET INVOLVED.  I REPEAT DO SOMETHING !!!

[cheropride]

Honestly, I am new to this aspect, so could you give me some good stronge advise as to what I can do.  First let me expain one thing, it is hard sometimes for me to go to events due to the fact I run a business from home and I am have a young son.  But if there is anything that I can do say online or with letters, I would be more than happy to help.

Love to be more involved, give me a starting point. - Thanks

[Thrumud]

Honestly, I am new to this aspect, so could you give me some good stronge advise as to what I can do.  First let me expain one thing, it is hard sometimes for me to go to events due to the fact I run a business from home and I am have a young son.  But if there is anything that I can do say online or with letters, I would be more than happy to help.

Love to be more involved, give me a starting point. - Thanks

check your pm for my number, I'll explain.

[MachineDog]

Damn. If they get rid of holylands, this is one sport I will be leaving.

[AintSkeered]

Finger piers? Where would those go? I serioulsy doubt that we're talking about Everglades/Holeyland WMAs. They can have Rottenberger.

[digginfool]

Directly from the SFWMD website:

Project Description:

The project involves recreational enhancements to an existing Stormwater Treatment Area (STA) and includes earthwork, including removal of unsuitable subsoil excavation, paved parking areas, concrete sidewalks, pedestrian bridge, information kiosks (with a shelter), bathrooms, a boat ramp with finger piers, landscape improvements and access road improvements.

Directions:

The site can be accessed from the east (i.e. US 27 at the Broward/Palm Beach County line), through 5 miles of asphalt paved road.


You tell me where it is.

[AintSkeered]

Give us a weblink to your info and we'll find out. Don't see any info on SFWMD's website.

[UncleRico]

 "SFWMD is the DEBIL!!! "

[digginfool]

Really, now, you didn't truly believe they built that nice road and bridges just for us, did you?  Check this out regarding Picayune (Badluck):

 Project Description:

Project includes all labor, materials, and equipment necessary to remove existing roadways in the area bordered on the west by Merritt Canal, on the east by Prairie Canal, on the north by I-75 and on the south by the east-west portion of Prairie Canal. Roadways, adjacent swales, and spoils piles shall be re-graded to match undisturbed, pre-development elevations. It includes removal of vegetation in the work areas and stockpiling excess fill adjacent to existing canals.

They are eliminating us permanently from the lands they control.

[SomBch]

Point to ponder: Who in there right mind would travel all the way out  hwy27 to rent a pavillion to have a party , fish off a finger pier , or even go walking on paths  ? It sounds more like federal or state funds are available and need to be allocated before the end of the fiscal year or those funds wont be available in next years budget. Is this cause for alarm? Im not to sure, but I think it deserves a little attention and a possible call to state legislators as to there true intentions. I also believe that some have been misled as to the intentions of " enviromentalists" . In my opinion : without the help of " enviromentalists" we would have had Mecca farms become some huge business hub right next door to the Corbitt area.With out there help alot more houses would be built on lands we all used to ride on .Unfortunatley some would have you believe that its there fault you no longer have access to riding areas, yet whats in the place where we used to ride,.... HOMES!!!
Yeah , name one tree hugger that would dig that trade off.  I would rather side with the tree huggers cause you no what they stand for, elected officials well....they stand for what ever or who ever lines there pockets.     .02

[digginfool]

Here is the link to all current RFBs (Request For Bid) at SFWMD:

https://my.sfwmd.gov/portal/page?_pageid=1174,1896180,1174_1896602&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&navpage=solicitationcalendars

Sorry Aintskeered, didn't notice your request earlier.

[UncleRico]

Do you know how many parks we have that just sit empty? I mean seriously, look at all the empty baseball fields, and soccer fields, and pavilions.

Start putting some recreational funds into some parks that people want to use....ATV parks, skate parks, etc.

It's time to step into the new century.

[Asphaltdragon]

All this talk of potentialy closing riding areas is the #2 reason I'm leaving South Florida

[SomBch]

uncle - you said it right, this lifestyle (muddin , trail riding etc.) gets treated like red headed step children(for the lack of a better term). They(state and local government) continue to look over this segment of our communities. And honestley its because we are so un-organized that its to our disadvantage. We have no voice , solely or collectively. sad but true.

[miamigirlrider]

I am going directly to the BIG BOY in SFWMD and if this is true, IT TIME FOR ACTION!!!

Get ready people because it will be a time for everyone to show support and really stand up!

[AintSkeered]

Okay, but, this might be a good thing. There's a lake/pond just north of the crossover where this plan might be nice.

[miamigirlrider]

OK I just spoke to SFWMD, this is 20 miles south of South Bay on US 27 and YES IT IS HOLEY LAND. The second bring at the end of the paved road across Holey Land.

I will talk to more people and ask them straight out what kind of crap is this?

Aintskeered, atv's are not compatible with pedestrians and parking lots. So this is NOT a good thing...

I will keep you all posted as I make my calls during the day before I go crazy on the Commissioners and media. 

[lswjth2]

I have been saying since day 1, that the SFWMD is our ANTI-CHRIST. I dont know where this project is, but i can tell you whatever land they have(312,000) acres, they will keep you out of it. JUst this weekend an area in lee county was also shut down. Now as for the funding, the WRDA bill that was justapproved gave these a$$ holes 350 million of your dollars for the PIcayune destruction, i dont know how much they got for the rest of their projects, I think they are 56??? in total.But here's where we have them by the balls,IF WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT,UNITE, AND START TAKING ACTION. Every year, they have to go back to congress and ask for next years money, if they dont get it, there screwed, unless the state ponies up the cash. Up to date, the state of florida has put in about 1 Billion  of our dollars. Here are some websites so you cna see all the LIES that have been fed to the public.I for one would want toi have a huge demonstration in front of their headquarters in West palm beach....


http://www.earthjustice.org/news/press/006/special-master-on-florida-everglades-restoration-issues-report-calling-for-additional-measures-to-reduce-pollution.html


http://www.everglades.org/spring2006.pdf

Start on page 4 of this one after the "everglades 21 coalition"

IT'S TIME THE PEOPLE IN THIS SITE WAKEUP AND FIGHT.THE OTHER FOLKS AT ATVMIAXTREME AND NORTHPORTOFFROAD ARE FIGHTING FOR EVERYONE AND NOT GETTING MUCH SUPPORT FROM THE PEOPLE HERE....

[miamigirlrider]

Theres a big preconstruction meeting being held on Monday August 14, 2006 at 10 am at the G370 pump station for all the contractors and bidders to find out about the construction.. Maybe we should pick this day to go out riding with lots of media!!!!!!

If they take this away from us we HAVE NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!! Ocala National Forest would be next!!!!

[DjLeOo]

I am going directly to the BIG BOY in SFWMD and if this is true, IT TIME FOR ACTION!!!

Get ready people because it will be a time for everyone to show support and really stand up!

Good Luck trying to get people from this website involved to help south florida in this cause !!!!!!

theres only a hand full that really gives a who !!!!!

 

[digginfool]

While our attempt to rally support to fight this project is noble, it is a lost cause.  By the time a project goes out to bid, all feasibility studies, engineering, project approval and earmarking of funds has already been completed.  This project is going to happen.  The only thing we can do is attempt to maintain access beyond the center.  However, the way I envision this happening, our parking area at the end of the paved road will serve as the site for the pavilion, bathrooms and parking area, giving them a convenient means of gating the levy on the south side and the bridge/road to the pump house on the north side.  It's been a long run and I will truly miss riding out there.  The bid package is $80.00, which is about normal for a project of that scope.  It's not the type of work my company does but I'm going to order a set of plans today.  I should have them in a few days and I'll let you know precisely how they intend to lay the site out.

[SomBch]

well put DF, we came across the same thing when the county decided to tear up peanut island.By the time you hear about it the wheels are in motion and its next to impossible to stop. The good news here is that this may not effect the riding out there at all, in fact it might be nice having sanitary bathrooms considering many camp out there.So, all may not be lost.

[miamigirlrider]

But you guys have forgotten that ATV's are not compatible to sidewalks, pedestrian bridges, parking lots!!!!!!!! In addition, you really think those nice clean bathrooms, parking lots, pavillion area is to let muddied up atv riders come mulk up the floors.... JUST READ THE DESCRIPTION ESCAVATION OF UNSUITABLE SOIL... = MUD MULK>

I dissagree with you on the process I work for Turner Construction/FDOT and when you want to stop a construction you can, take a look at the Miami Intermodal Center... ENUFF SAID!

You have the people that will sit there and watch things happens or the people who step in and make things happen.

I am not going to let them take our last spot.