www.Miamicrawlers.com - litterers of Eureka Dam (dirtbags!) w/pics

[FORD4X4GIRL]

I know some of these guys, and they are a great group...  I know they dont go somewhere to leave trash, if it was left i am sure it was an accident.  I 'm sure they have picked up other peoples trash and dont go online and try to badmouth them and discriminate...

so everyone pull your panties out of your azzes....

 First of all weather or not you know these guys has nothing to do with the situation at hand. It is people like that, that eventually get us kicked out of places to ride. Leaving a bag of garbage is one thing, but leaving trash all over the ground & in the trees that is also a harm to the environment is another thing. I am not only a ATV'er but I am also an active member of local conservation groups in my area who have done numerous cleanups in JW Corbett & in Holeylands and I can't tell you how SICK & TIRED of cleaning up after everyone else I truly am, espically other ATV'ers that should be very aware of the fact that there aren't very many places left to ride.

HAVE A LITTLE Freakin RESPECT !


btw.... You can pass that message on to the Miami Crawlers that you supposedly know !

[wilburz]

I know some of these guys, and they are a great group...  I know they dont go somewhere to leave trash, if it was left i am sure it was an accident.  I 'm sure they have picked up other peoples trash and dont go online and try to badmouth them and discriminate...

so everyone pull your panties out of your azzes....

Leaving a few pooptickets on the ground is an accident. I ranger would not give you a ticket for leaving a few paper napkins on the ground. But leaving this biohazardous mess surely would levy a nice fine. These guys are adults and if it was an accident it still was inexcusable. There were like 10 of them there with 4 or 5 different vehicles. The garbage was thrown off the trailer onto the ground. What would the "red alert" needed to pick up this mess? Maybe next time their group leader should make them rope the garbage around there necks so as not to forget it. That is how you train a dog and it works! Some poor defenseless cub bear probably came by with his mom and started drinking that 90w. Either way there is no excuse for such blatant littering! Don't try to make up excuses for your friends.   

[Greenlantern]

this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...

you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...


take care,
GL

[cheropride]

Agreed, this assumption that this was some type of accident is bs.  And it is also not say that all of them are that way.  They just needed to be made aware of the situation, it would be same thing if one of use went somewhere with "atvflorida.com" pasted to our trucks and then trashed the place, don't think for a minute it would be any different.  The only difference for the fact, we would not defend the jacka$$, we take 'em out to the woods w/his truck and make him load all his crap up.  More than likely be banned from this site.  When you ride around w/ a logo such as this, then it does reflect the group as a whole.  And yes it is sad.  But their response should of been that they were sorry and that they would find out who did it.  Not say it was a race thing or a set up or an accident... that's b/s.  They should be trying to do what we are, schedule a clean-up or something.  

Just as Ford4X4 pointed out, it actually gives us all a bad name and the most atver's are just sick and tired of such disrespect!!!!

[cheropride]

this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...

you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...

Hate to disagree, but places being trashed all over the place.  Not just saying this is the only incident, know it is everywhere and it has to STOP.  More attention s/b made evidently that you DO NOT TRASH THE PLACES that you RIDE!!! Furthermore, it seems to me at a time when we are losing more and more places to ride, the more and more places are to be trashed.  Especially w/enviromental hazards, yea thats all we need, give them more reason to keep us out. 

[wilburz]

this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...

you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...


take care,
GL

I happen to have free time during the day. Nothing wrong about talking about this on this site.

Its not like we alerted the frickin FBI or EPA dude!

Don't stick up for your fellow litterers and you won't prolong the attention then! Nuff said.

[FORD4X4GIRL]

this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...

you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...


take care,
GL

More attention than needed??

Have you actually given up a full weekend of YOUR personal TIME to clean up after people who litter in WMA's or clean up litter off the side of the road The answer to that would be probably not.... I, along with many others, am sick of cleaning up after ADULTS that think it's ok to litter where ever they please. If things like this keep happening you can bet your a$$ that there won't be anywhere to ride... FWC is sick of seeing the trash in their WMA's, FSCA & ERDHA clean it up as a courtesy to them, NOT to do it for all the LAZYA$$ES out there... Act like an adult & clean up after yourself....

DON'T TRASH THE PLACES WE RIDE !

Other ATV'ers are complaining that there is no where to ride.... I can guarentee that one of the reasons we have so few places to ride is because of A$$HOLES that don't want to pick up after themselves.... Your mother doesn't ride with you to clean up after you, DO IT YOURSELF !

[Eworm]

I always pick up after myself and I condemn anyone who doesn't or thinks they shouldn't have to. However, it is good to see some of the responses on this post. I know exactly who never to have a conversation with, about anything. You all better know how to differentiate between races and color, real soon or I can guarantee that you will have a big surprise one day (you know who you are).

[bigscrub79]

I always pick up after myself and I condone anyone who doesn't or thinks they shouldn't have to. However, it is good to see some of the responses on this post. I know exactly who never to have a conversation with, about anything. You all better know how to differentiate between races and color, real soon or I can guarantee that you will have a big surprise one day (you know who you are).

BOY DONT MAKE ME GET THE HORSERADISH!!!!   
The majority of the people I have met on here and rode with arent that ignorant.

[Eworm]

I always pick up after myself and I condone anyone who doesn't or thinks they shouldn't have to. However, it is good to see some of the responses on this post. I know exactly who never to have a conversation with, about anything. You all better know how to differentiate between races and color, real soon or I can guarantee that you will have a big surprise one day (you know who you are).

BOY DONT MAKE ME GET THE HORSERADISH!!!!   
The majority of the people I have met on here and rode with arent that ignorant.

Yeah you are probably right but I still feel the same. Did you hear the good news BTW?

[Ida_Mann]

this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...

you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...


take care,
GL

more attention than needed? hows about I make it a sticky post,,,,,that still might not be enough attention in my book.

I don't care if it's one of my neighbors, or someone from Colorado,,,,they should clean up after themselves and if someone from this site who has no reason to lie about this witnessed this and got pictures,,,,,,why doubt them?

There's no discrimination going on here,,,,we all enjoy the outdoors and challenging ourselves in off-road vehicles to take in the forest,,,,,,just some of our extended community acted like brats and were called on it,,,,,let's see if they respond themselves.

Id@

[Eworm]

this is my 2 nd and last post on this topic...

you all are bringing more attention to this then needed...


take care,
GL

more attention than needed? hows about I make it a sticky post,,,,,that still might not be enough attention in my book.

I don't care if it's one of my neighbors, or someone from Colorado,,,,they should clean up after themselves and if someone from this site who has no reason to lie about this witnessed this and got pictures,,,,,,why doubt them?

There's no discrimination going on here,,,,we all enjoy the outdoors and challenging ourselves in off-road vehicles to take in the forest,,,,,,just some of our extended community acted like brats and were called on it,,,,,let's see if they respond themselves.

Id@

Yeah agreed. I just wonder what some mean when they "they or their". Who are they reffering to? Guess it does not matter, there will always be differences in opinions in this world.

[CABLEGUY1]

I always pick up after myself and I condone anyone who doesn't or thinks they shouldn't have to. However, it is good to see some of the responses on this post. I know exactly who never to have a conversation with, about anything. You all better know how to differentiate between races and color, real soon or I can guarantee that you will have a big surprise one day (you know who you are).

Did you mean condone or do you mean condemn?

[Eworm]

I always pick up after myself and I condone anyone who doesn't or thinks they shouldn't have to. However, it is good to see some of the responses on this post. I know exactly who never to have a conversation with, about anything. You all better know how to differentiate between races and color, real soon or I can guarantee that you will have a big surprise one day (you know who you are).

Did you mean condone or do you mean condemn?

That's what I meant. Thanks for clarifying. Sometimes I think I am better off without spell checker........

[AintSkeered]

SFL has an enormous mulitcultural population of many races. I could give a rat's arse what race these pigs are. It ain't about race, it's about culture or lack thereof. If you live down here and ride in all of the legal and illegal riding spots, it's clear that far more trash is illegally-dumped down here than in ONF. The West Miami riding areas, Miami area beaches and Biscayne Bay islands are the best examples of this illegal dumping. And, these same slobs don't limit their careless dumping to our beaches and riding areas. I work in a hospital where trash is dumped right next to the trash cans because these pigs are too lazy to step on the pedal to lift the lid(so they can throw the trash INTO the cans). No exaggeration, it occurs every day.

[Grassman68]

cant we all just get along!!!!??  I was the guy who got that 90W shot all over my bike. I washed it off 2 times and still stinks . Who ever thinks this littering was a accident YOUR CRAZY!!!!!!  I dont sh!t on your front porch!!!! Dont sh!t on mine!!!!!!! enough said??   Everybody at miamicrawlers its not a personal attack i hope you would do the same if you see any group of people doing the same! Especially are group here. Iam all about a clean up ride.                       

[pepito]

Wow!!! I have read every post on this topic and I'm amazed at how this issue has been blown out of proportion and nothing has been done to solve the real problem. It appears to me that your intentions were to teach the club a lesson. If this is the case then an e-mail should have been written to the club with the pictures attached. This would have allowed the club to deal with the issue privately and fix the problem. By publicly humiliating the group and making racist comments you already put them in a position to defend themselves and not solve the problem. Also by making these rude and childish comments you humiliate the entire off road community, atvr's and trucks alike. As participants in the off road community we should stick together and not make stupid comments about each others life styles. I live in south florida and its beautiful down here, not trashed like someone mentioned earlier. It seems like most of the comments made on this page were made by people who are very narrow minded, and not looking at the big picture. Ocala is not just one big beautiful National Forest, it has its slums and nice areas just like every other city in the world. As far as quality of people, low lives can be found anywhere, not just South Florida. In the end this whole issue was about some trash left behind in a parking area of a park, doesn't this seem a bit much. I think it should have been picked up by whoever took the pictures, like I'm sure the MiamiCrawlers would have done for the next guy. If you want to check the quality of people that are members of the group then invite them to the trail clean up that is being scheduled. If they really are the scum bags you guys make them out to be they won't show, but if they do then you will know who the scum bags are!!!

[Busta Nutt]

You're right pepito. Probably should have been handled differently. Maybe members of both sites can get together for a group trail/clean up ride.

[CABLEGUY1]

Look Pepito, If you think this issue got blown out of proportion then you need to look in your own backyard. The main issue is the throwing out of petroleum based products in the forest that DO NOT desolve naturally. The people that did this or were with them and let it happen are the real scumbags. The other thing that really pi$$ed everyone over here off is the downplaying or denying of the act. For the moderator of that site to actually suggest that it may have not been done by one of their members is an insult to everyones intelligance. One of their members admits to working on his differential in the exact spot where empty bottles of "GEAR OIL" not motor oil were left along with greasy rags. You have a better chance of winning the lottery then there is of this being a coincidence. Then to top it off they question the manhood of our member for not approaching the idiots that left the trash. I question the manhood of all the members of that site that were with the guy that left the trash! Why didn't one of them step up and tell the rest of the idiots to pick up the trash? I wont label the entire association as scumbags but this incident sure puts a black eye on it. Stop denying it happened and acting like it was no big deal and man up,apologize and move on. By not doing so it only makes it look like it's a classless organization.Oh yeah,and stop using the race card to hide behind this lowlife act. We have many members here that are from latin decent and most are from Miami,Hialeah,Homested and their some of the best most genuine people you'll ever meet . We welcome them with open arms and enjoy riding with them so don't turn this into a prejudice thing. For the founder or Moderator of that site to even suggest that it didn't happen or even that it was no big deal is a slap in the face. He should have apologized for his members actions and assured everyone that he would take the appropriate measures to help insure that this would not happen again. What he did instead was to try and defend the parties responsible which in my book makes him look like an a$$. MIAMICRAWLERS " own up to the mistake and take responsibility for your actions in order to give your club some credibility or suffer the negative publicity and confirm what people assume about your organization".

[fastrnrik]

Bottom Line: Who cares if they're Cuban, Black, White, Puerto Rican, Italian, etc. A group of people was witnessed dumping trash and oil on the ground. It's a fact, not a debate. People saw it happen and took pictures of it. The solution is simple: Bring your a$$es back up here and clean it up. 

Oh, and for once, can we leave the race card out of a discussion? Everbody knows the image that the word "Miami" brings to peoples minds. It's not their large Irish or Dutch population I can assure you. Just like the thoughts people have when "Harlem" is mentioned. If some people on here have views that are a little more "askew" than others, who really cares?

[big-daddy]

Ok, Us Cubans in Miami dont appreciate the racist remarks. Also you must be one dumb cross breed hillbilly from the north, if you didn’t read that he apologized for the trash and that he also lives in Ocala (not Miami) Yes it was wrong to trash the place, but the racist remarks are just as bad. So stop crying like little b!tches and move on.   

[FORD4X4GIRL]

Wow!!! I have read every post on this topic and I'm amazed at how this issue has been blown out of proportion and nothing has been done to solve the real problem. 

Blow out of proportion ? WAKE UP & SMELL THE TRASH ! ! ! Have you been paying attention lately ? Did you not see the Sun Sentinel's article on ATV'ers & the lack of riding space due to careless activites ? ? ? Or maybe you have no reason to be here .... Some people care about the environment.... I personally would like to be able to take my children out to Holeylands & Eureka Dam one day... If sh!t like this keeps happening, I doubt I'll be able to do that .....

[Eworm]

Ok, Us Cubans in Miami do appreciate the racist remarks. Also you must be one dumb cross breed hillbilly from the north, if you didn’t read that he apologized for the trash and that he also lives in Ocala (not Miami) Yes it was wrong to trash the place, but the racist remarks are just as bad. So stop crying like little b!tches and move on.   

Exactly!! Don't know why people are confused or feel this is two separate issues. There is ONE ISSUE HERE!!! The racist’s comments!!! That's it. Nothing is being blown out of proportion!!!!

[cheropride]

I had to read their guest book again to see where these "racist remarks" were made, okay I said "hola coma esta" which mean "hello are you" - ?? And there was another comment about Miami - which to me is not racist, hell I was born in raised in Miami - do I feel insulted - no. 

If you read the quest book, it clear that they started to defend themselves that we were pointing them out due to race. 

Therefore THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO ABOUT RACE!!!!!!  And you know what, we know that, if they want to hang on to that race card, then so be it.

THIS HAS TO DO WITH TRASHING PLACES!!!

The guy who was there did apologize on their guest book, but insist it was an accident and that he did clean up.  I wish there was someway we could post those pic's (on their guest book) cause anyone can see that it was not accident, but I don't expect anyone to really own up to the fact that they did that on purpose.

As for us going on their guest book and signing, was it wrong, NO.  Why it called him out to own up for what he did. 

It is easy for some to say lets move on, and not a big deal, but as for the person who got his bike trashed by their oil, it ain't so easy to move on.  And for us who can't stand to see our places trashed, and this is really bad, can't move on when you read these post and see people say, "Come on you are make this a bigger deal than it is" That really pisses us off. 

And stop with the race thing that is just friggin stupid and I think everyone is sick of the race card!!!  Of for those out there who think when we type (them/they) we are implying race - give me a break.  You are the one making it a race issue, so you have been called out on this too.

IT IS ABOUT TRASH - ITS ABOUT HURTING OUR CAUSE TO RIDE - ITS ABOUT DISRESPECT FOR THE AREA THAT YOU RIDE - THAT'S ALL IS ABOUT - so get over the RACE issue. 

[550superquad]

what he said