Gain Respect or Lose Friends

[dreth]

I know that there is alot of people on this site that have read the "I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE" post and have chosen not to get involved, well to that I say................ that is why this country is in the predictament (sp) it is in!

like it says...........gain respect or lose friends..............

If you just stand idolly (sp) by this will never get any better. If your one of those people that agree with the PLEDGE but wont stand up for it, then in my opinion you are part of the problem! Either stand up for your countries PLEDGE or leave this country.

Now you choose which post you want to post on...........this one, so you can brow beat me.............or the PLEDGE post so you can type how you feel!

[05greengriz]

I pledge Brother.

[Honda328i]

I will say it again:

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!

God bless America, my home sweet home!

I thought of this thread last night on the way home from work I saw a bumper sticker on a car that read:

"God loves you whether you like it or not"  

[Ida_Mann]

allright, just because.....

consider youreself brow-beaten ;-)

I pledge.....

Id@

[FishaHallic]

Some of you can't see the forest thru the trees.  .  But unlike you guys I don't think you should leave the country because I disagree with you because thank goodness we have freedom of speech and thought (even if your wrong  ). 

This is a great country because we CAN sit here and debate this issue.  But, if I was to believe like some of you narrow minded people, there would be no debate,  it would be as you say " love it or leave it". 

And did I read the heading wrong,  Gain Respect or Lose Friends?  Sounds like Dreth is saying if you don't back me on this God thing then I can't respect you and we could never be friends.  If that's not a narrow minded view then I don't know what one is.  Correct me if I'm wrong. 

[SlowestYfz450]

Some of you can't see the forest thru the trees.  .  But unlike you guys I don't think you should leave the country because I disagree with you because thank goodness we have freedom of speech and thought (even if your wrong  ). 

This is a great country because we CAN sit here and debate this issue.  But, if I was to believe like some of you narrow minded people, there would be no debate,  it would be as you say " love it or leave it". 

And did I read the heading wrong,  Gain Respect or Lose Friends?  Sounds like Dreth is saying if you don't back me on this God thing then I can't respect you and we could never be friends.  If that's not a narrow minded view then I don't know what one is.  Correct me if I'm wrong. 

I have went riding with Dreth twice and I think he is a very level headed guy, and I agree with 99% of his opinions and views on god and this country. I think what he was trying to say is Gain respect for what people have to say, or they wont want to be your friends. Correct me if I'm Wrong Dreth.... Cant wait to get back down there and ride with you again man, maybe by then i'll have a big YFZ to whoop that ole hOnda thing you have

[bigscrub79]

I believe what Dreth was trying to say is you can either stand up for what you believe in and gain respect, which in turn could cause you to lose friends. It is a matter of telling people how you feel and standing up for what you believe in. If you sit around and just listen to what people have to say and dont argue your point  you will probably make friends. You will not however gain much respect because people will not think you have any convictions. I may be off but thats how i took it.

[Honda328i]

Some of you can't see the forest thru the trees.  .  But unlike you guys I don't think you should leave the country because I disagree with you because thank goodness we have freedom of speech and thought (even if your wrong  ). 

This is a great country because we CAN sit here and debate this issue.  But, if I was to believe like some of you narrow minded people, there would be no debate,  it would be as you say " love it or leave it". 

And did I read the heading wrong,  Gain Respect or Lose Friends?  Sounds like Dreth is saying if you don't back me on this God thing then I can't respect you and we could never be friends.  If that's not a narrow minded view then I don't know what one is.  Correct me if I'm wrong. 

Do you personally know dreth?  Be careful before you start calling people names and putting them into boxes that they don't fit.  What exactly is "narrow minded" anyway?  Calling people names when you don't know them personally is certainly not respecting them or their beliefs or ever gaining their respect.  

And for the record, I do not like "religion" --> it's something man made up to think that they could gain enough goodness to get to God, a futile task no one could ever achieve, we are all just too evil.

[WPBSMOKA]

Some of you can't see the forest thru the trees.  .  But unlike you guys I don't think you should leave the country because I disagree with you because thank goodness we have freedom of speech and thought (even if your wrong  ). 

This is a great country because we CAN sit here and debate this issue.  But, if I was to believe like some of you narrow minded people, there would be no debate,  it would be as you say " love it or leave it". 

And did I read the heading wrong,  Gain Respect or Lose Friends?  Sounds like Dreth is saying if you don't back me on this God thing then I can't respect you and we could never be friends.  If that's not a narrow minded view then I don't know what one is.  Correct me if I'm wrong. 

Do you personally know dreth?  Be careful before you start calling people names and putting them into boxes that they don't fit.  What exactly is "narrow minded" anyway?  Calling people names when you don't know them personally is certainly not respecting them or their beliefs or ever gaining their respect. 

And for the record, I do not like "religion" --> it's something man made up to think that they could gain enough goodness to get to God, a futile task no one could ever achieve, we are all just too evil.

Since everyone else is giving there"what he meant was". He made a reference to narrow minded people.  He said that Dreth's  view was narrow minded.  That's for this subject, not neccesarily on everything.

[Moose]

This thread will be locked if this continues.

[VForcedave]

You go Dreth!

[Old_School]

I with you Dreth but I'm so sick and tired of people trying to push their religion on others. I was baptised Catholic and Christians are the worst kind well maybe next to Jahova (sp?) Witness  . They come to my door preaching and I let them have it. But over 50yrs of God being on the currency and in schools I agree, why change now?  If people have a problem with it...... go back to where you came from or that where religion is mainly worshiped. But I thought that religion or politics was not to be discussed on the boards? We all know what happened the last time that was done.  -Mark  

[big-daddy]

This site getting fill with hard head people. Dreth as a opinion, just like you have yours. You can agree or disagree, stop the name calling without knowing the person.  I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA that why I'm here. Do you agree? Go for it Dreth!

[BCConviber]

I'm all for the patriotic folks on here... Keep under god in our pledge and on our currency. Every one of us have a right to our own opinions. The bashing is uncalled for though.

That being said, I'm about over the endless political, religious and faith based comments on here. I thought we were here to talk atv's...

[Moose]

I thought we were here to talk atv's...

 

[Old_School]

My 500 ownz all yoose peeps! Bow down!    -Mark

[bigscrub79]

My 500 ownz all yoose peeps! Bow down!    -Mark

My 500 will smoke yours,   throught the mud that is.

[WPBSMOKA]

That being said, I'm about over the endless political, religious and faith based comments on here. I thought we were here to talk atv's...

Isn't there a recipe section somewhere on here?  Maybe some motor oil or something is among the ingredients.   I did see a comment saying we were not supposed to discuss these issues, I am a newbie, so can someone tell me if that statement is true.  I understand it might be prefferd, but is it an actual rule?

[AlterEgo]

Hmmmmm, y'all thought the "pledge" brought some controversy . . . my Outty 800 smoked a bunch of sport quads 2 weekends ago. Had 'em hanging their heads just a little embarrased and confused as to what just happened.

(can't wait for the responses now . . . )

[o4250]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH I agree witht he pledge. That is all.

[FishaHallic]

O.k., what bigscrub79 said makes since, I see what Dreth is saying now.   But that doesn't mean he does not have narrow minded views, and I'm not trying to mean about that but I don't know how else to say it.  And as far as people respecting goes.  I base my respect of people by their actions and words, not by words or believes alone. 

If you met me I think you would like me.  I don't need your respect because I'm still gonna lead my life like I have for 45 yrs, and that is by treating people with respect and not force them to conform to other peoples views.  Good luck

[Chuck_Norris]

[Honda328i]

LOL, you Da man Chuck (Bill)    I like it

[americanhighlander]

I with you Dreth but I'm so sick and tired of people trying to push their religion on others. I was baptised Catholic and Christians are the worst kind well maybe next to Jahova (sp?) Witness  . They come to my door preaching and I let them have it. But over 50yrs of God being on the currency and in schools I agree, why change now?  If people have a problem with it...... go back to where you came from or that where religion is mainly worshiped. But I thought that religion or politics was not to be discussed on the boards? We all know what happened the last time that was done.  -Mark  

I know we get those jahova witness at door halftime
they want to join their church.I tell them we have own religion.LOL

Plus i don't need to go to church and i have too many things to do beside that.
So you don't have to go their church and I know you have too many active
things you do in life.I understand about that.

The only religon we have to worry about the middle east counties.
I heard some of them are crazy
people over there fighting over about dumb cartoon newpaper.lol

So i don't wanna get into religon war on here.I do understand
other religons have diffrent ways,i do repect about that here in usa.

PS:So keep your freedom alive out there.


Thanks,
amhighlander 

[FishaHallic]

How did you get my picture? 

[americanhighlander]

Nice pics chuck norris. 

[dreth]

for the record!!!!!!!!!!! what i meant by GAIN RESPECT or LOSE FRIENDS is.............by making this post i might offend some of my friends on here and they might not like me anymore OR i might gain someones respect for saying what i feel on this subject.


thanks to those of yall that defended my character your right about atleast one thing........i did not call anybody names in my post, so why? to my disagreeing people i say to you that this is not about RELIGION at all! this is about Respect for our country! i never said that if you dont believe in GOD that you should leave this country, I SAID if you dont respect this country enough to say the PLEDGE you should leave!!! why stay? you dont respect it

CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG

[WPBSMOKA]

for the record!!!!!!!!!!! what i meant by GAIN RESPECT or LOSE FRIENDS is.............by making this post i might offend some of my friends on here and they might not like me anymore OR i might gain someones respect for saying what i feel on this subject.


thanks to those of yall that defended my character your right about atleast one thing........i did not call anybody names in my post, so why? to my disagreeing people i say to you that this is not about RELIGION at all! this is about Respect for our country! i never said that if you dont believe in GOD that you should leave this country, I SAID if you dont respect this country enough to say the PLEDGE you should leave!!! why stay? you dont respect it

CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG

Might I suggest reading all of the replies under I pledge allegience.

[gery350]

i aint touching this.

all i got to say is.........

COMMIE BASTARDS!

[dreth]

for the record!!!!!!!!!!! what i meant by GAIN RESPECT or LOSE FRIENDS is.............by making this post i might offend some of my friends on here and they might not like me anymore OR i might gain someones respect for saying what i feel on this subject.


thanks to those of yall that defended my character your right about atleast one thing........i did not call anybody names in my post, so why? to my disagreeing people i say to you that this is not about RELIGION at all! this is about Respect for our country! i never said that if you dont believe in GOD that you should leave this country, I SAID if you dont respect this country enough to say the PLEDGE you should leave!!! why stay? you dont respect it

CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG

Might I suggest reading all of the replies under I pledge allegience.

just did! ALL 5 PAGES!

[Magnum330]

I Pledge.

I love going to football games and saying the pledge with all the Amerians that also go. I love hearing the Star Spangled Banner and hearing a prayer befor the game.

I hate seeing so many people sitting down while the Pledge is being said and the Star Spangled Banner is being sang and most of all while prayer is be said. Kids and adults run their mouth cut up and bother others around them. That burns me up!

As far as your $.02 cents the only way you have that opinion and aloud to express it is because someone dided so you can have an opinion.

This Country was founded by men and women who beleaved in GOD not a god but GOD!

I'll make this short

You me we all have opinions and we can express our thoughts because someone died and fought and are still fighting for US right now.

We loose our riding spots because we can't get together and go ( not email not write not call ) but go face to face and tell our opinions to the ones who have the means of making it happen for us.

If I called you up on the phone as said I was going to kick your backside you might get upset but no action. If I come to you face to face and said that I was going to kick your backside their would be action.

The Flag stands for freedom and men and women are giving their time and their life and leaving their family behind to give us this freedom.

I don't like war but I look at it this way if we don't stand up for our Country we will loose it and you will not have the rights you do now.

SO YES I DO PLEDGE.
I also trust in GOD and when I say that I'm not trying to push my faith on anybody. People on here see something about GOD or Church and they think OH gosh here they go with that church stuff again. what about all the language on here the slang curse words people read that and they could say your pushing them nasty words on us. Well then poeple say if you don't like it don't read it. Well if you don't like hearing about God Church Faith or anything thing of that nature DON"T READ IT go on to something else.

Sorry I didn't make it short I could go on and on.

Think about this

Who founded this Country?
Why was it founded?

GOD BLESS AMERICA
GO TROOPS
LET FREEDOM RING

This was my opinion and you know the rest of the story
Good Day.

 

[Chuck_Norris]

GOTTA LOVE TOBY KIETH


I don't do it for money, there's still bills that I can't pay,
I don't do it for the glory, I just do it anyway,
Providing for our future's my responsibility,
Yeah I'm real good under pressure, being all that I can be,
And I can't call in sick on Mondays when the weekends been to strong,
I just work straight through the holidays,
And sometimes all night long.
You can bet that I stand ready when the wolf growls at the door,
Hey, I'm solid, hey I'm steady, hey I'm true down to the core,
And I will always do my duty, no matter what the price,
I've counted up the cost, I know the sacrafice,
Oh, and I don't want to die for you,
But if dyin's asked of me,
I'll bear that cross with an honor,
'Cause freedom don't come free.I'm an american soldier, an american,
Beside my brothers and my sisters I will proudly take a stand,
When liberty's in jeopardy I will always do what's right,
I'm out here on the front lines, sleep in peace tonight.
American soldier,

[gtnwood]

for the record!!!!!!!!!!! what i meant by GAIN RESPECT or LOSE FRIENDS is.............by making this post i might offend some of my friends on here and they might not like me anymore OR i might gain someones respect for saying what i feel on this subject.


thanks to those of yall that defended my character your right about atleast one thing........i did not call anybody names in my post, so why? to my disagreeing people i say to you that this is not about RELIGION at all! this is about Respect for our country! i never said that if you dont believe in GOD that you should leave this country, I SAID if you dont respect this country enough to say the PLEDGE you should leave!!! why stay? you dont respect it

CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG

That is exactly right. Those that came to this country did it presumably for a better way of life, the american way of life and The Pledge of Allegiance honors that. So at the very least you/we owe this country the respect of pledging our allegiance. Real Americans though mean it when we say it.

[Eworm]

I Pledge.

I love going to football games and saying the pledge with all the Amerians that also go. I love hearing the Star Spangled Banner and hearing a prayer befor the game.

I hate seeing so many people sitting down while the Pledge is being said and the Star Spangled Banner is being sang and most of all while prayer is be said. Kids and adults run their mouth cut up and bother others around them. That burns me up!

As far as your $.02 cents the only way you have that opinion and aloud to express it is because someone dided so you can have an opinion.

This Country was founded by men and women who beleaved in GOD not a god but GOD!

I'll make this short

You me we all have opinions and we can express our thoughts because someone died and fought and are still fighting for US right now.

We loose our riding spots because we can't get together and go ( not email not write not call ) but go face to face and tell our opinions to the ones who have the means of making it happen for us.

If I called you up on the phone as said I was going to kick your backside you might get upset but no action. If I come to you face to face and said that I was going to kick your backside their would be action.

The Flag stands for freedom and men and women are giving their time and their life and leaving their family behind to give us this freedom.

I don't like war but I look at it this way if we don't stand up for our Country we will loose it and you will not have the rights you do now.

SO YES I DO PLEDGE.
I also trust in GOD and when I say that I'm not trying to push my faith on anybody. People on here see something about GOD or Church and they think OH gosh here they go with that church stuff again. what about all the language on here the slang curse words people read that and they could say your pushing them nasty words on us. Well then poeple say if you don't like it don't read it. Well if you don't like hearing about God Church Faith or anything thing of that nature DON"T READ IT go on to something else.

Sorry I didn't make it short I could go on and on.

Think about this

Who founded this Country?
Why was it founded?

GOD BLESS AMERICA
GO TROOPS
LET FREEDOM RING

This was my opinion and you know the rest of the story
Good Day.

 

That pretty much sums it up. Opinion or not, you sir are correct!